Politics Thread

[waggy]

[waggy]

[hoopster68]

Agreed. Russia should pull out of Ukraine. Nonsense is ended.

+1

[GoMuskies]

Agreed. Russia should pull out of Ukraine. Nonsense is ended.

Seems unlikely unless we want to fight Russia directly. Are you okay with that? Are you okay with a meatgrinder stalemate with each side blowing each other up by drone for a few more years?

[Xville]

Seems unlikely unless we want to fight Russia directly. Are you okay with that? Are you okay with a meatgrinder stalemate with each side blowing each other up by drone for a few more years?

There's nothing that I am ok with in this situation, except for Russia pulling out immediately without any further death. I don't like any other scenario, nor am I ok with it.

[GoMuskies]

But that's not going to happen. So your second-favorite path is the meat-grinder stalemate?

[Xville]

But that's not going to happen. So your second-favorite path is the meat-grinder stalemate?

I don't know what my second favorite path is. In my mind, everything else is a complete loss.

More death ----- loss
Giving Russia what they want ------loss

[GoMuskies]

I'm probably too simple-minded, but I only see three viable options:

1) Negotiate a peace no one loves.

2) Status quo with continued fighting/virtual stalemate that Russia probably ultimately wins.

3) US/Rest of Europe get more directly involved in the conflict and knock Russia back.

Given that Russia has nuclear weapons, I choose option 1 from the three non-ideal choices.

[Xville]

I'm probably too simple-minded, but I only see three viable options:

1) Negotiate a peace no one loves.

2) Status quo with continued fighting/virtual stalemate that Russia probably ultimately wins.

3) US/Rest of Europe get more directly involved in the conflict and knock Russia back.

Given that Russia has nuclear weapons, I choose option 1 from the three non-ideal choices.

In a vacuum, 1 is probably the outcome that everyone wants. The problem with 1 is that I don't think that's the end of it. Sure, everyone may be "happy" for a few months or even a year or two. However, No one in their right mind trusts Russia just to pack up and go home at the end of the day.

[waggy]

I think #1 is the only viable option. China is having big financial problems, and we owe them money. We either get everyone focused on financial recovery or we're going to end up in WW3.