Politics Thread

[paulxu]

If you can't believe the Republican Speaker of the House...what are you gonna do for conspiracy nonsense in the future?

House Speaker Mike Johnson said Sunday that replacing President Joe Biden as the presumptive Democratic nominee would be “unlawful,” just hours before the president announced that he is officially stepping aside.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mike-john...IIOmWoH66uU47U

[paulxu]

Then....Biden is sharp as a tack and just has a stutter
Now...Donald Trump is the oldest Presidential nominee in history

Lord knows Biden hasn't been a sharp as any tack. I had noted his stutter situation before as speech experts say it always contributes to difficulty in articulating one's thoughts if you have been fighting it for a lifetime. But his "sharpness" has certainly declined over the last short time. Would be concerning to anyone, and I think he made the right choice in stepping aside.

As to your second note, I believe that's factually correct. But it only matters if the candidate is a Democrat, not the last guy in the historical rankings.

[XU_Lou]

If you can't believe the Republican Speaker of the House...what are you gonna do for conspiracy nonsense in the future?


https://www.yahoo.com/news/mike-john...IIOmWoH66uU47U

It's funny how you didn't use Johnson's full quote, which is factually correct:

“Well, these elections are handled at the state level. Every state has its own system, and in some of these it’s not possible to simply just switch out a candidate who has been chosen through the democratic — small 'd' — the democratic process over such a long period of time. 14 million Democrats voted to make Joe Biden the nominee. So it would be wrong and I think unlawful, in accordance to some of these states’ rules, for a handful of people to go in a back room and switch it out because they don’t like the candidate any longer. That’s not how this is supposed to work. So, I think they would run into some legal impediments in at least a few of these jurisdictions, and I think there will be a compelling case to be made that that shouldn’t happen. So I think they’ve got legal trouble if that’s their -- you know, if that’s their intention and that’s their plan. So we’ll see how it plays out. We don’t know. I know the Democrats are in total disarray, and I know the Republican Party is united like never before, so we're looking forward to November and this election cycle. It's gonna be an interesting time for the American people.”

[xubrew]

It's funny how you didn't use Johnson's full quote, which is factually correct:

“Well, these elections are handled at the state level. Every state has its own system, and in some of these it’s not possible to simply just switch out a candidate who has been chosen through the democratic — small 'd' — the democratic process over such a long period of time. 14 million Democrats voted to make Joe Biden the nominee. So it would be wrong and I think unlawful, in accordance to some of these states’ rules, for a handful of people to go in a back room and switch it out because they don’t like the candidate any longer. That’s not how this is supposed to work. So, I think they would run into some legal impediments in at least a few of these jurisdictions, and I think there will be a compelling case to be made that that shouldn’t happen. So I think they’ve got legal trouble if that’s their -- you know, if that’s their intention and that’s their plan. So we’ll see how it plays out. We don’t know. I know the Democrats are in total disarray, and I know the Republican Party is united like never before, so we're looking forward to November and this election cycle. It's gonna be an interesting time for the American people.”

The NOMINEE is not necessarily the CANDIDATE. They have merely been NOMINATED to be the candidate. Granted, for the last fifty years or so, the conventions have largely been formalities, but the NOMINEE does not become the actual CANDIDATE until they accept the nomination.

[GoMuskies]

Well, it wasn't as though the votes came to Biden unsolicited. Like he was telling them, hmm, if you vote for me I'll ruminate over whether I actually want the nomination. He was obviously actively soliciting those votes and didn't give anyone any indication that he wouldn't accept nomination (until the bitter end when his candidacy had been kneecapped by both his infirmity and the Democrat establishment calling for him to quit the race).

I think his decision makes a lot of sense given the obvious health issues. I can't say I really applaud him for it, because it's clear it wasn't really his decision, but at least he eventually accepted reality. But you also can't expect the opposing party not to try to use the situation to its advantage. Particularly when Republicans been lectured endlessly on democracy being threatened, and the Democrats go and pick their candidate in the least democratic way possible.

[paulxu]

Marc Elias responds to Mike Johnson's concerns:

First, you are an insurrectionist.

Second, if your lawyers are telling you that they can prevent the DNC from nominating its candidate of choice, they are idiots. I know a lot about that, since I beat them more than 60x in court after the 2020 election.

[xuphan]

Marc Elias responds to Mike Johnson's concerns:

Are we really arguing that Biden should not have dropped out of the race? Why and who cares? The Trump/Vance ticket should beat whoever the Dems put up correct?

[Xville]

Are we really arguing that Biden should not have dropped out of the race? Why and who cares? The Trump/Vance ticket should beat whoever the Dems put up correct?

I think what you are seeing is that the Republicans are shitting their pants. Kamala is not a great candidate by any stretch of the imagination, but she's better than someone that is half dead. Outside of his base, Trump is a shit candidate as well. If Kamala can come across as just a little more likable than Hilary to suburban women, that lead that Trump supposedly has may vanish.

[xuwillie]

I think what you are seeing is that the Republicans are shitting their pants. Kamala is not a great candidate by any stretch of the imagination, but she's better than someone that is half dead. Outside of his base, Trump is a shit candidate as well. If Kamala can come across as just a little more likable than Hilary to suburban women, that lead that Trump supposedly has may vanish.

Harris is a crap candidate and I think most know that, she acts like a 10 year ol. The fear from the right is that this will turn into race and feminism argument which will make it more difficult to vote for Trump.

[Xville]

Harris is a crap candidate and I think most know that, she acts like a 10 year ol. The fear from the right is that this will turn into race and feminism argument which will make it more difficult to vote for Trump.

agreed, not a good candidate, but also agree with the "feminism" take which I alluded to with a comment about suburban females. It really doesn't take much to beat Trump with how unhinged he is, and how poor of a candidate he is himself.

If the dems would put someone competent like a Kelly or a Beshear alongside her, things could get interesting.

Republicans should follow the dems lead and get Trump out...do America a favor.

Case in point—Lou is losing his mind right now, and can’t keep up with which one of his lies goes where.