Xavier FCS Football???

[Lamont Sanford]

Do we REALLY need to resurrect the football program in order to get more males to X? If the current student population is 57% female (or that don't identify as male for the libs), that should be enough of a determining factor for most 18yo males.

[xubrew]

Do we REALLY need to resurrect the football program in order to get more males to X? If the current student population is 57% female (or that don't identify as male for the libs), that should be enough of a determining factor for most 18yo males.

No. But there's a lot of things we don't need. Not needing something in and of itself isn't a reason to not do it.

[xubrew]

The way the mere mention of football at Xavier makes some people roll their eyes all the way into the backs of their heads is one of those Xavier things that I just don't quite understand. I get that for a lot of people football just isn't their thing. Hell, for a lot of people at Xavier basketball isn't their thing either. I had several friends that I'm still really close to that never went to a single game and couldn't have cared less if the program even existed. But...

'FOOTBALL!!?? OH MY GOD!! WHAT THE HELL ARE WE THINKING??!!!" As if all the things they like about the world will suddenly cease to exist.

At most, those who don't care about it, which I realize is probably most people, will barely even notice that it's there. Those who are excited about it, which isn't many but is a few, will like it.

But at Xavier, there has always been a third category. Those that choose to hate it, and actually actively decide to be bothered by it, and use their imaginations to come up with some rather creative reasons as to how football will somehow ruin everything. After every game that Xavier loses, I can almost guarantee there will be a small clan of people who go out of their way to discuss all the ways this is bad for all of humanity, and question why it was ever implemented, and how everything would be right with the world again if Xavier would just cut it. I just don't quite understand that. It seems kind of silly to me...but it's definitely a noticeable part of the Xavier orbit.

[GoMuskies]

I think almost everyone here likes football. I think almost everyone here has never seen or thought or cared about a Pioneer League football game. And that will generally continue if Xavier gets a Pioneer League football team. It just seems pointless to start a program that is designed to suck as a way to make money by generating tuition dollars from the players' parents.

If they do, they do. Being able to call Xavier undefeated since '73 is more valuable to me personally (and believe me, that's of almost no value to me) than bringing high school football for slightly older kids to Victory Parkway.

[xubrew]

I think almost everyone here likes football. I think almost everyone here has never seen or thought or cared about a Pioneer League football game. And that will generally continue if Xavier gets a Pioneer League football team. It just seems pointless to start a program that is designed to suck as a way to make money by generating tuition dollars from the players' parents.

If they do, they do. Being able to call Xavier undefeated since '73 is more valuable to me personally (and believe me, that's of almost no value to me) than bringing high school football for slightly older kids to Victory Parkway.

I just find it funny that if Xavier were to allot a million dollars to redo all the bathrooms, no one would notice or care. Spending a million dollars on football, all of which would be made back and/or supplemented, sends people into a tizzy.

[drudy23]

I think almost everyone here likes football. I think almost everyone here has never seen or thought or cared about a Pioneer League football game. And that will generally continue if Xavier gets a Pioneer League football team. It just seems pointless to start a program that is designed to suck as a way to make money by generating tuition dollars from the players' parents.

If they do, they do. Being able to call Xavier undefeated since '73 is more valuable to me personally (and believe me, that's of almost no value to me) than bringing high school football for slightly older kids to Victory Parkway.

This.

[MHettel]

No. But there's a lot of things we don't need. Not needing something in and of itself isn't a reason to not do it.

what are you even talking about?

[MHettel]

I cant help but separate the ideas of startup costs and operating costs.

If a school has a current football program with a staff, equipment, facilities, and all that stuff, then they may be able to operate that program on a relatively thin budget.

But we are starting from SCRATCH. We dont have anything at all. The startups costs will be a few million easy.

Also, when I look at the reported "numbers" from some of these programs, it's pretty clear that there are inconsistent methods to report revenues and expenses.

I notices that 2 of the school JUST HAPPENED to have revenue that EXACTLY MATCHED their expenses? really?

I just think this is a dumb idea.

You know what would be a better idea? Add a Navy and Air Force ROTC program. Many, if not most of those students are on scholarship that is paid by the military. We can all say that adding football would add 100 males paying full tuition, but in reality, we know that many of those guys would get partial academic scholarships so, we cant just multiple 100 *42K. But when the military is paying the bills, we can charge full tuition....

[xubrew]

what are you even talking about?

No, Xavier doesn’t need to start football. But that still doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t.

[xubrew]

I notices that 2 of the school JUST HAPPENED to have revenue that EXACTLY MATCHED their expenses? really?

This is actually quite common. It means that the athletic dept. is having the costs supplemented by the institution. If a school gives money to the athletic dept, it’s reported as revenue. If the numbers are identical, it almost assuredly means that the school gave them the exact amount of money they needed to cover the expenses. The reason the school would do this is because they’re making enough money off of the tuition to make it worth it to them. This is basically a straight up D3 model. It costs the athletic dept nothing, and while it costs the school money, what they’re making off tuition exceeds the overall cost.