Politics Thread

[GoMuskies]

Is she joining Forward?

[xubrew]

From Level Headed Tulsi Gabbard, who absolutely took apart Kamala Harris on the debate stage-
" I can no longer remain in today’s Democratic Party that is now under the complete control of an elitist cabal of warmongers driven by cowardly wokeness, who divide us by racializing every issue & stoke anti-white racism, actively work to undermine our God-given freedoms, are……hostile to people of faith & spirituality, demonize the police & protect criminals at the expense of law-abiding Americans, believe in open borders, weaponize the national security state to go after political opponents, and above all, dragging us ever closer to nuclear war.
I believe in a government that is of, by, and for the people. Unfortunately, today’s Democratic Party does not. Instead, it stands for a government of, by, and for the powerful elite. I’m calling on my fellow common sense independent-minded Democrats to join me …in leaving the Democratic Party. If you can no longer stomach the direction that so-called woke Democratic Party ideologues are taking our country, I invite you to join me."

*Some on this Board should absolutely take the invitation.

I think this is MOSTLY fair.

Back as far as 20 years ago when I was still in college, I thought the most accurate embodiment of a Democrat was someone that drove around in a gas guzzling SUV with a "Save the Planet!" bumpersticker. I still feel that way today, but it's gone much much much MUCH farther. It doesn't look to me like the Democrats have ever actually cared for the people they claim to want to help them. Because...well...THEY DON'T! Maybe at one time they did, but they certainly haven't for the past several decades. They'll pretend to care, but they don't even do a good job of pretending. They come off as elitist dipshits. They'll grandstand for the sake of grandstanding, but they won't actually do anything beyond that. That's why people who like them initially as young first time voters turn away from them. That's why Trump won the election in 2016. That's why people hate them. I get it, but I don't think THEY do! The reason why factions of people dislike them so much should be obvious.

But having said that, I think Trump, and MAGA, are even MORE despicable. I get why people like them. I think it has a lot to do with them being angry and frustrated. They have reasons for being angry and frustrated. What I can't stand about MAGA is that they stoke that anger with complete and total bullshit. Whereas the Democrats are full of shit and have been for a while, Trump is OVERFLOWING with bullshit!! He's 100 lbs of bullshit in a 5 lb bag!

The election was not stolen. The only person that tried to steal it was him. He ACTUALLY tried to undermine the will of the American people! SEVERAL TIMES!! Trump/MAGA tried to pressure governors and secretaries to not certify elections, then tried to storm the capital to disrupt the certification of the election, and now people are running on the platform that the election was stolen. They're insinuating that if Trump doesn't win the next time, they'll once again attempt to undermine the will of the people. THAT SHOULD PISS EVERYONE OFF!!!

I don't like the Democrats either. But I like MAGA/GOP even less if that's how they're going to go about this. Trump didn't win the election. Far more people dislike him than like him. For years I thought it was insane that the Dems could not figure out why people didn't like them and voted against them. For the GOP to not understand why people do not like TRUMP is off the charts, mind-numbingly BATSHIT STUPID!! And now there is a movement within to openly undermine the results of legitimate elections if they don't win them. That should be a bridge too far for anyone who legitimately cares about this country's values.

[Smails]

after referring to my dick. Are you an alchoholic? Flexing your "booze muscles"? Reading your posts you must be half-drunk all the time.

The actual smear is 'beer muscles'. Be better.

Also, please stop making shit up, it's quite unbecoming. Please share the quote where I called you a drug addict (exact quote). I would also be interested in seeing the quote where I referred to your weenis. You should consider switching over to indica. It's quite a bit more relaxing than sativa. For the record, I'm not an alcoholic but do enjoy a cocktail from time to time. I appreciate your concern for my health and well-being..thanks!

[Masterofreality]

I think this is MOSTLY fair.

Back as far as 20 years ago when I was still in college, I thought the most accurate embodiment of a Democrat was someone that drove around in a gas guzzling SUV with a "Save the Planet!" bumpersticker. I still feel that way today, but it's gone much much much MUCH farther. It doesn't look to me like the Democrats have ever actually cared for the people they claim to want to help them. Because...well...THEY DON'T! Maybe at one time they did, but they certainly haven't for the past several decades. They'll pretend to care, but they don't even do a good job of pretending. They come off as elitist dipshits. They'll grandstand for the sake of grandstanding, but they won't actually do anything beyond that. That's why people who like them initially as young first time voters turn away from them. That's why Trump won the election in 2016. That's why people hate them. I get it, but I don't think THEY do! The reason why factions of people dislike them so much should be obvious.

But having said that, I think Trump, and MAGA, are even MORE despicable. I get why people like them. I think it has a lot to do with them being angry and frustrated. They have reasons for being angry and frustrated. What I can't stand about MAGA is that they stoke that anger with complete and total bullshit. Whereas the Democrats are full of shit and have been for a while, Trump is OVERFLOWING with bullshit!! He's 100 lbs of bullshit in a 5 lb bag!

The election was not stolen. The only person that tried to steal it was him. He ACTUALLY tried to undermine the will of the American people! SEVERAL TIMES!! Trump/MAGA tried to pressure governors and secretaries to not certify elections, then tried to storm the capital to disrupt the certification of the election, and now people are running on the platform that the election was stolen. They're insinuating that if Trump doesn't win the next time, they'll once again attempt to undermine the will of the people. THAT SHOULD PISS EVERYONE OFF!!!

I don't like the Democrats either. But I like MAGA/GOP even less if that's how they're going to go about this. Trump didn't win the election. Far more people dislike him than like him. For years I thought it was insane that the Dems could not figure out why people didn't like them and voted against them. For the GOP to not understand why people do not like TRUMP is off the charts, mind-numbingly BATSHIT STUPID!! And now there is a movement within to openly undermine the results of legitimate elections if they don't win them. That should be a bridge too far for anyone who legitimately cares about this country's values.

Mostly fair Smails. But with the exception of January 6, and I know some will say “what about ism” Al Gore & Dems still think 2000 was stolen, Barbara Boxer tried to decertify 2004 electors because of alleged “Ohio Diebold machines” , Hillary Clinton still says that 2016 was illegitimate, and Stacy Abrams still thinks she won Georgia’s Governorship.
This election denialism definitely goes both ways.
And I am convinced that January 6 was a result and revenge for the Destructive Riots and ridiculous civil disturbances of Summer 2020. It’s ok to attack a Federal building in Portland and injure agents but….

[paulxu]

Curiously, Al Gore and Hillary Clinton were adult enough to call their opponents to concede.

Nov 9, 2016 — “Donald Trump is going to be our president,” she said in her concession speech. “I hope that he will be a successful president for all Americans ...

Just moments ago, I spoke with George W. Bush and congratulated him on becoming the 43rd president of the United States

[Strange Brew]

Curiously, Al Gore and Hillary Clinton were adult enough to call their opponents to concede.

And then proceeded to undermine the results thereafter. So their concessions were and are meaningless window dressing.

[xubrew]

And then proceeded to undermine the results thereafter. So their concessions were and are meaningless window dressing.

How so??

Hillary Clinton knew she lost. She didn't think she was going to lose. She was probably surprised when she did lose. But once it happened she knew that she didn't win. I'm even willing to get that while most Democrats STILL couldn't figure out how it had happened, she personally at least not only knew that she had lost, but she knew WHY.

She didn't spend the next two years holding rallies, and giving speeches, and tweeting about how the election had been stolen when it CLEARY had not been, nor did she try and put pressure on governors and state secretaries to not certify the results and then call them out as being traitors when they did certify the results, nor did she ever try to disrupt any of the processes to stop the transition of power. She actually just kind of went away.

[XU_Lou]

"today's Democrats don't believe in freedom"

- Tulsi Gabbard, today (like 5 minutes ago)

[Strange Brew]

How so??

Hillary Clinton knew she lost. She didn't think she was going to lose. She was probably surprised when she did lose. But once it happened she knew that she didn't win. I'm even willing to get that while most Democrats STILL couldn't figure out how it had happened, she personally at least not only knew that she had lost, but she knew WHY.

She didn't spend the next two years holding rallies, and giving speeches, and tweeting about how the election had been stolen when it CLEARY had not been, nor did she try and put pressure on governors and state secretaries to not certify the results and then call them out as being traitors when they did certify the results, nor did she ever try to disrupt any of the processes to stop the transition of power. She actually just kind of went away.

She went on media tours calling Trump illegitimate and blamed her loss on Russian interference. Which was nonsense.

[xubrew]

She went on media tours calling Trump illegitimate and blamed her loss on Russian interference. Which was nonsense.

I know of one interview where she said Trump wasn't a legitimate president, and I agree that it's nonsensical claim. But if Hillary Clinton farted, then Donald Trump absolutely, totally, and completely shat his pants. Multiple times. If you put how the two reacted after losing an election on opposite sides of the scale, the scale would absolutely break because of Donald Trump.

Metaphorically speaking, Trump has a real propensity to yell and scream about how someone farted, while he himself just takes a big rhinoceros-sized dump in his own pants. He accuses others (oftentimes falsely) of doing things that he himself does on an exponentially higher degree. That's one of the many reasons people don't like him.