Politics Thread

[XU_Lou]

You've missed my point. The deflection you are calling, "very clever" is exactly what you are doing. I don't think you believe in the examples I presented. They are the most extreme perceptions of Republican view removed of all nuance, which again is what you're doing. Classic strawman

There is no reasonable debate over NO RESTRICTIONS for weapons.

* but is the Democrat party's position on this really reasonable? All headlines aside?

There is no reasonable debate over NO CONVICTIONS for unnecessary police killings.

* Who the hell is making this point? I've never heard this... made up?

There is no reasonable debate over NO HEALTHCARE for 30 million Americans.

* I'm confused.... Didn't we pass Obamacare about 10 years ago? Are you saying it's not working as intended?

There is no reasonable debate over ENDLESS WAR in the Middle East.

* Yea, no shit, that's one of the reasons why we elected Trump...

There is no reasonable debate for ending ALL IMMIGRATION when there's a need for cheap labor.

* No one is making this argument as well! Classic strawman!

[xubrew]

Have we talked about this BYU/Dook volleyball thing here yet? Absolutely insane situation where NYT, WaPo, ESPN, etc. all just jumped on an allegation made by a Dook volleyball player about the fans at BYU calling her a racial slur. The problem is that the allegation is apparently not true. But you're not going to see any retraction from ESPN, WaPo, or NYT. They've moved on, and if their "reporting" has done any damage it's not their concern.

South Carolina's Dawn Staley decided her women's basketball team would cancel a scheduled trip to BYU, because for god's sake you'd hate to take a risk of a bunch of black women living in South Carolina potentially being exposed to racism!

Haven't really followed this that closely other than that I heard it happened, I heard BYU apologized and banned the individual who allegedly did it from all BYU events, and that the individual was not a student, and that after all that South Carolina opted to not go to BYU.

Most people probably wouldn't realize this, but BYU fans can be very nasty from what I understand. I've heard coaches, players, and admins talk about it. I don't know if that really means anything because while I don't condone racism or sexism, I personally do not find nasty sports crowds to necessarily be a bad thing. Is that part of the reason why so many people are so bent out of shape??

I don't condone racial slurs, but from all accounts BYU didn't condone it either. They apologized, the apology appeared to be sincere, and they banned the person, who was not a student, from everything! What the hell else are they supposed to do?

[GoMuskies]

What the hell else are they supposed to do?

Unban the person, because nothing happened.

[xubrew]

Unban the person, because nothing happened.

Seems fair. If it can be substantiated that nothing happened. Hell, they should probably apologize to the person after they unban them.

[Caf]

No one is making this argument as well! Classic strawman!

It's honestly impressive that you still don't get that you agree with me.

Xuperman is begging someone to argue in favor of a Republican perception of Democrat views. No one is because they're not actual views actual people believe in. I have given examples of the Democratic perception of Republican views and you have correctly pointed out that no one is making these arguments.

Here's a quick litmus test I tell people to do when I'm tired of hearing them talk about the other side as all out evil or stupid. 70+ million people voted for the other guy. Explain why they did without insulting their intelligence or assigning negative intentions to them. If you can't do that, you're the problem.

[GoMuskies]

Seems fair. If it can be substantiated that nothing happened. Hell, they should probably apologize to the person after they unban them.

Oh they should. Pretty tough standard to substantiate that nothing happened, but certainly no one has been able to substantiate her allegations.

[Xville]

Have we talked about this BYU/Dook volleyball thing here yet? Absolutely insane situation where NYT, WaPo, ESPN, etc. all just jumped on an allegation made by a Dook volleyball player about the fans at BYU calling her a racial slur. The problem is that the allegation is apparently not true. But you're not going to see any retraction from ESPN, WaPo, or NYT. They've moved on, and if their "reporting" has done any damage it's not their concern.

South Carolina's Dawn Staley decided her women's basketball team would cancel a scheduled trip to BYU, because for god's sake you'd hate to take a risk of a bunch of black women living in South Carolina potentially being exposed to racism!

Where did you see that, because I don't see that anywhere.

Regarding Staley...can't stand that woman, regardless of this stuff.

[Xville]

It's honestly impressive that you still don't get that you agree with me.

Xuperman is begging someone to argue in favor of a Republican perception of Democrat views. No one is because they're not actual views actual people believe in. I have given examples of the Democratic perception of Republican views and you have correctly pointed out that no one is making these arguments.

Here's a quick litmus test I tell people to do when I'm tired of hearing them talk about the other side as all out evil or stupid. 70+ million people voted for the other guy. Explain why they did without insulting their intelligence or assigning negative intentions to them. If you can't do that, you're the problem.

Herein lies the problem though...Lou and Xup believe that all democrats have those views

[Masterofreality]

Have we talked about this BYU/Dook volleyball thing here yet? Absolutely insane situation where NYT, WaPo, ESPN, etc. all just jumped on an allegation made by a Dook volleyball player about the fans at BYU calling her a racial slur. The problem is that the allegation is apparently not true. But you're not going to see any retraction from ESPN, WaPo, or NYT. They've moved on, and if their "reporting" has done any damage it's not their concern.

South Carolina's Dawn Staley decided her women's basketball team would cancel a scheduled trip to BYU, because for god's sake you'd hate to take a risk of a bunch of black women living in South Carolina potentially being exposed to racism!

If anyone has been paying attention, this kind of “reporting” has been going on for quite a while.
Just look at how all the mainstream media immediately jumped all on the side of Jussie Smollet.
It’s “leap to the woke side” then take a long time, if ever, to print/broadcast retractions.
Cancel culture in action, as well as horrible “journalism”

[GoMuskies]

Where did you see that, because I don't see that anywhere.

Of course you don't. Most people won't. Because the source where you read the original story has moved on and doesn't care whether it was actually true.

Here's an excellent thread on it. Takes a lot of reading. https://twitter.com/ac_hutchens/stat...6OmZVDxUOQdFeA