Politics Thread

**Strange Brew** · 06-10-2021, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

Disgusting:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/10/polit...doj/index.html

Sources say huh.....

**paulxu** · 06-11-2021, 07:18 AM

The clearing of the square did make us look a little thuggish.
A smarter guy might have realized that it was not a good time for an upside down Bible photo op.
But, I'm assuming you didn't read the article I posted from the Post, on June 8th, where they clearly identified the actions as being planned for barrier construction.

**boozehound** · 06-11-2021, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by Smails

That's grotesque..

There's no way these costs can continue to go up at the same rate they have over the last 10 years...right?

I have a set limit for each of my 3 kids and the rest will be on them. The concept of fully paying for college is just not something my family has ever embraced. It started with my grandpa and went to my parents. They helped us (2 sibs), but ended up paying less than half when it was all said and done. We got jobs while in school, got some athletic money and took out loans for the rest. My sibs and I had student loans until we were 30, paid them off and moved on.

Because of that model, my parents were able to retire at a reasonable age and are really enjoying their back 9. I'm going to help my kids, but I'll be damned if I'm going to go into dire straits and not be able to enjoy a retirement that I've worked my ass off for. Kids need to have some skin in the game IMO.

I think that costs have to stop rising, if not reverse, for higher education. I don't see how this is sustainable. I graduated from Xavier in 2004, and full boat tuition + Room and board was around $25K and just tuition was about $15K if I remember correctly. Now it's $56K? Meanwhile starting salaries for graduates haven't even come close to keeping pace with that type of inflation.

The whole thing is crazy for so many reasons, but here are a few of my top ones

1. The whole country is convinced that the sole road to prosperity is though a college education. This isn't entirely incorrect - college graduates have fared MUCH better over the last 20 years than people without a degree, but not everybody is cut out for college.

2. Literally anybody can get in to a college (there are a million of them), and literally anybody can borrow large amounts of money to pay for it. The lenders have kind of a sweetheart deal in that student loan debt is basically the only thing you can't file bankruptcy on, so they lend indiscriminately to 18-20 year old kids without fear of having the debt erased via bankruptcy filing. As a lending entity there aren't a lot of places where you can get that type of deal.

3. Most kids entering college have wildly unrealistic expectations about their job prospects upon graduation. Everyone I knew in college thought that they were going to get a much better job than they did upon graduation, myself included. If you think you are going to walk into a job paying $80K right out of college, why not borrow $100K+ for your degree?

If more people (mostly parents) start really challenging the value equation college provides, I think that will have an impact on costs. I know when it comes time for my kids to attend college we are going to have some real discussions about cost-benefit. My siblings and I were fortunate in that my parents paid for college. However, part of the deal was that we (1) got good grades and that (2) they had veto power over majors and school choice. I double majored in Finance and IT because they were the two courses of study (within the business school) that had the highest placement rates at the time. Still - I won't do the same for my kids because I don't think that any of us took it seriously enough. I'd be more likely to pay my kids student loans in full upon graduation as a 'surprise' graduation gift than to let them know up front that I'm paying for school completely.

**Muskie in dayton** · 06-11-2021, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

So you believe the Big Lie, do ya. Think 1/6 were just innocent tourists? Covid was a hoax? I think everyone is glad to be rid of the scumbag.

I had to look up "the Big Lie". I don't know about all that, but what I do know is the media has outright lied to us to promote a narrative, as evidenced by my examples above. That is a fact.

1/6 innocent tourists? No. But there are videos showing cops letting them through the fencing around the Capital, and videos of cops allowing to move freely about the Capital, with only the advise of "remain peaceful". There is also evidence of leftist agitation. Most importantly, the media - again - has grossly exaggerated the events that day.

Covid a hoax? That's ridiculous. Covid is a bad virus that has resulted in significant sickness and death. But - yet again - it has been grossly exaggerated by the media, in combination with false information being presented by governmental agencies.

If you'd like me to explain any of these, I'd be happy to. But the facts have been presented ad nauseum here and on the Covid thread. If I need to explain, you either aren't paying attention or refuse to recognize reality.

I answered your questions, but you still refuse to answer me. Bobbie - do you still believe what you hear from the media and from our government without question?

**bobbiemcgee** · 06-11-2021, 05:02 PM

Honestly, I can't imagine someone had to google the "Big Lie' after 8 months. It's been covered by nearly every news source almost daily. Anyway, covid was over and hasn't been an issue for me since I got my shots in January. I've been like a kid in a candy store since, traveling everywhere I can, the Mountains, Atlanta to see the grands, Catalina, Florida, Texas (family reunion) Vegas twice and Arizona to stay with a golfing buddy. Off to Aspen for the weekend. I'm an old fart on kidney dialysis, so I have to arrange for that along the way.
I'm sure you're right about the MSM, although I'm not even sure who they are anymore as everybody points fingers at the other. However, if you were sitting on your couch on 1/6 and watching TV, you could have turned off the sound on any station and quickly figured out what was going on. Frankly at my age, I wouldn't give a poop anymore except for the kids. As far as believing what I hear from the gov't, I am a Vietnam ERA Veteran, which is all you need to know about that fiasco and gov't lying. I am a proud X grad like you and promote the X brand everywhere I go. As we say back in the 60's, PEACE OUT! Life ain't so bad.

**Strange Brew** · 06-11-2021, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

Honestly, I can't imagine someone had to google the "Big Lie' after 8 months. It's been covered by nearly every news source almost daily. Anyway, covid was over and hasn't been an issue for me since I got my shots in January. I've been like a kid in a candy store since, traveling everywhere I can, the Mountains, Atlanta to see the grands, Catalina, Florida, Texas (family reunion) Vegas twice and Arizona to stay with a golfing buddy. Off to Aspen for the weekend. I'm an old fart on kidney dialysis, so I have to arrange for that along the way.
I'm sure you're right about the MSM, although I'm not even sure who they are anymore as everybody points fingers at the other. However, if you were sitting on your couch on 1/6 and watching TV, you could have turned off the sound on any station and quickly figured out what was going on. Frankly at my age, I wouldn't give a poop anymore except for the kids. As far as believing what I hear from the gov't, I am a Vietnam ERA Veteran, which is all you need to know about that fiasco and gov't lying. I am a proud X grad like you and promote the X brand everywhere I go. As we say back in the 60's, PEACE OUT! Life ain't so bad.

Honestly, you’re comments were the first place I heard it as well. Could be the sources you read…