Politics Thread

[xavierj]

I actually think if he had just run, he'd still be alive. To me, going back into a car, where the police don't know if you have a weapon, escalates the situation much more.

I have not watched the video but wondering if he put his hands up at any point or complied with instructions. I know if I ever have a run in with police I will do whatever they say. Not that I fear them but my actions of not doing as told may lead to a mistake I don’t want to be a part of. Police are human and will make mistakes, especially if they are scared. It’s always best to keep your hands where they can see them and do what they tell you and sort it out later. Probably the smart thing to do. Maybe this guy did exactly that and still got shot. Is that the case?

[STL_XUfan]

I have not watched the video but wondering if he put his hands up at any point or complied with instructions. I know if I ever have a run in with police I will do whatever they say. Not that I fear them but my actions of not doing as told may lead to a mistake I don’t want to be a part of. Police are human and will make mistakes, especially if they are scared. It’s always best to keep your hands where they can see them and do what they tell you and sort it out later. Probably the smart thing to do. Maybe this guy did exactly that and still got shot. Is that the case?

Laws really need to be changed that every interaction with a police officer should be seen as being detained by the officer. There should be no grey area where a lay person has to decide if what the officer is telling them is a direct order or just a request that can voluntarily ignore.

[boozehound]

I have not watched the video but wondering if he put his hands up at any point or complied with instructions. I know if I ever have a run in with police I will do whatever they say. Not that I fear them but my actions of not doing as told may lead to a mistake I don’t want to be a part of. Police are human and will make mistakes, especially if they are scared. It’s always best to keep your hands where they can see them and do what they tell you and sort it out later. Probably the smart thing to do. Maybe this guy did exactly that and still got shot. Is that the case?

He was basically in custody and had exited the vehicle. Then he got back in the vehicle and tried to drive off. Had the officer tased him instead of shooting him I don't think it would be a controversial use of force. Obviously that's a big difference though.

[paulxu]

I watched the video of the army lieutenant who was pepper sprayed and a few things occurred to me:
1 - if he was being pulled over for a air freshener blocking his window, why did they ask him to exit the vehicle. The few times in earlier days when I was stopped, I never was asked to get out. Maybe they smelled (or claimed to smell?) marijuana
2 - he was put in a difficult situation. Had his hands up, through the open window, and was being called to exit the vehicle. If he took a hand down to undo his seat belt or open the door handle, he might have been shot for "reaching for a weapon" or something. So he was playing it super safe leaving his hands outsite the window in plain sight, but unable to respond to the command to exit the vehicle, resulting in being sprayed.
3 - if you are dressed in military gear with clear markings of an officer on your collar, that's really no help in that situation

In all of these cases it is quite obvious that obeying the police and their commands is the correct thing to do. Sometimes it does seem like even doing that turns into trouble. Depressing. It does seem that deadly force is sometimes applied when the officers are not in danger for their lives.

[bjf123]

I think the Army Lieutenant was being pulled over for not displaying a license plate, but I’ve heard you can see the plate in one of the officers’ body cam.


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[xu82]

I think the Army Lieutenant was being pulled over for not displaying a license plate, but I’ve heard you can see the plate in one of the officers’ body cam.


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Pretty sure I saw a shot of it in the upper right rear window.

[boozehound]

I think the Army Lieutenant was being pulled over for not displaying a license plate, but I’ve heard you can see the plate in one of the officers’ body cam.


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Yes. I believe that was the case. That particular instance seems pretty egregious. He was pulled over for not having a licence plate, but he did have a cardboard temp tag in his window. He slowed down and continued to drive until he reached a well-lit area where he felt more comfortable stopping. This is something that you are allowed to do. When pulled over, he explained that to the officers, and they proceeded to make things difficult for him (unnecessarily) and ultimately pepper sprayed him.

It sounds like the fact that he didn't pull over right away irritated the officers, so they got out looking for trouble.

[noteggs]

Pretty sure I saw a shot of it in the upper right rear window.

First and foremost, this type of police behavior is completely unacceptable and thought I could see it as well. Temporary tags these days are a huge problem tho. My truck also has a tinted rear window. Tried to tape temp tag inside the truck but you could barely see it displayed, so taped it outside with a lot of tape so you could.

Regardless, police should know this is a problem and should be trained to see it. Also blame the states for the new paper license vs old heavy duty that could be affixed to plate holder.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Minneapolis cop being charged with manslaughter. This seems about right to me, but if she fights this we will learn whether she followed training to have the taser and gun on opposite sides of her belt.

The lieutenant's stop was terrible. I believe I read that you can hear the cops on the audio say that he was probably minority because he went to a well lit gas station. I don't know the veracity of that. I also read that he was not told why they pulled him over and the two cops yelled conflicting orders. I also read one cop was shaking during the entire incident, and his car was searched. Since the stop was for not displaying a temporary tag, the stop was in error and the search illegal. I am going to guess this goes poorly for that department.

[boozehound]

Minneapolis cop being charged with manslaughter. This seems about right to me, but if she fights this we will learn whether she followed training to have the taser and gun on opposite sides of her belt.

The lieutenant's stop was terrible. I believe I read that you can hear the cops on the audio say that he was probably minority because he went to a well lit gas station. I don't know the veracity of that. I also read that he was not told why they pulled him over and the two cops yelled conflicting orders. I also read one cop was shaking during the entire incident, and his car was searched. Since the stop was for not displaying a temporary tag, the stop was in error and the search illegal. I am going to guess this goes poorly for that department.

I believe at least one of the cops has already been fired or resigned, which is probably pretty telling.