Politics Thread

[paulxu]

Subsidies and tax credits to the oil industry cost at least $4 billion annually.

https://www.treasury.gov/open/Docume...14%20Final.pdf

Maybe we should take some of those dollars and hire the 50 people to work on infrastructure, like roads and bridges. Could even rebuild the Brent Spence one.

[Strange Brew]

Subsidies and tax credits to the oil industry cost at least $4 billion annually.

https://www.treasury.gov/open/Docume...14%20Final.pdf

Maybe we should take some of those dollars and hire the 50 people to work on infrastructure, like roads and bridges. Could even rebuild the Brent Spence one.

Not buying the 50!jobs lost.

[X-man]

Whatever it is it is still a loss of jobs and someone will struggle because of it. We have to stop making decisions to appease some people who yell really loud.

Notice that I said nothing to denigrate the (temporary) jobs lost, but only responded to a question raised about the number of permanent jobs lost in a prior post.

[paulxu]

Interesting turn of events here in South Carolina.
A lot of the more prestigious law firms bailed on the nonsense suits on voter fraud (couldn't provide courts with evidence).
Campaign left with Rudy, and crazy Sydney Powell, etc.
Sekelow and others didn't want any part of the second impeachment, so Lindsey got a well respected lawyer here in South Carolina to lead the defensive effort named Butch Bowers.
He had defended Mark Sanford when he was in danger of being impeached.

Today Bowers and another attorney bowed out of the case.

[Masterofreality]

Interesting turn of events here in South Carolina.
A lot of the more prestigious law firms bailed on the nonsense suits on voter fraud (couldn't provide courts with evidence).
Campaign left with Rudy, and crazy Sydney Powell, etc.
Sekelow and others didn't want any part of the second impeachment, so Lindsey got a well respected lawyer here in South Carolina to lead the defensive effort named Butch Bowers.
He had defended Mark Sanford when he was in danger of being impeached.

Today Bowers and another attorney bowed out of the case.

No. Body. Cares.

Trump is out of office. Let your Boogeyman go Paul and worry about your baby killing, job killing and economy killing Puppet President.

[Masterofreality]

Subsidies and tax credits to the oil industry cost at least $4 billion annually.

https://www.treasury.gov/open/Docume...14%20Final.pdf

Maybe we should take some of those dollars and hire the 50 people to work on infrastructure, like roads and bridges. Could even rebuild the Brent Spence one.

Maybe energy independence and not relying on unreliable Middle Eastern sources is a good idea.
Maybe killing off energy jobs and potential supplies in this continent is a bad idea.

[boozehound]

Whatever it is it is still a loss of jobs and someone will struggle because of it. We have to stop making decisions to appease some people who yell really loud.

Couldn't you say a similar thing about the pro-Keystone XL crowd RE: the 'who will yell the loudest'? Honestly preserving a couple hundred (or even a couple thousand) jobs isn't really a reason to make a decision of this magnitude. I will say, that I don't really like the idea of this wild back and forth between policy - one President is all for the pipeline and another immediately kills it.

I don't really have a particularly strong opinion on the Keystone XL Pipeline as a single issue. I don't really care that much about the Caribou or whatever, but I do think we need to move away from a reactionary energy policy. Not even solely for the environmental reasons, but for long term economic ones.

1. Renewable / Sustainable Energy. This is the future direction for virtually the entire developed world, and I'd rather us try to lead in this space than deny the clear direction things are headed. I think there will always be a need for oil, but reducing that need would seem to be a good thing. Bonus: If Oil and Gas prices stay depressed countries like Russia, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, and Iran will have less money to spend on being a pain in the ass for the rest of the world.

2. Energy independence: Related to point 1 - more solar / wind / nuclear helps drive energy independence for the US. While we can get there for a while with domestic Oil, I'd rather see us do it with a mix of energy sources. Particularly since nobody really knows how much oil exists.

[paulxu]

No. Body. Cares.

Trump is out of office. Let your Boogeyman go Paul and worry about your baby killing, job killing and economy killing Puppet President.

Well, we need to care. He did tremendous damage to our country and millions (I hope not you) still believe the big lie about the election that led to the carnage at the Capitol. It'll take a lot of time and effort to correct that damage.

[Xville]

Couldn't you say a similar thing about the pro-Keystone XL crowd RE: the 'who will yell the loudest'? Honestly preserving a couple hundred (or even a couple thousand) jobs isn't really a reason to make a decision of this magnitude. I will say, that I don't really like the idea of this wild back and forth between policy - one President is all for the pipeline and another immediately kills it.

I don't really have a particularly strong opinion on the Keystone XL Pipeline as a single issue. I don't really care that much about the Caribou or whatever, but I do think we need to move away from a reactionary energy policy. Not even solely for the environmental reasons, but for long term economic ones.

1. Renewable / Sustainable Energy. This is the future direction for virtually the entire developed world, and I'd rather us try to lead in this space than deny the clear direction things are headed. I think there will always be a need for oil, but reducing that need would seem to be a good thing. Bonus: If Oil and Gas prices stay depressed countries like Russia, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, and Iran will have less money to spend on being a pain in the ass for the rest of the world.

2. Energy independence: Related to point 1 - more solar / wind / nuclear helps drive energy independence for the US. While we can get there for a while with domestic Oil, I'd rather see us do it with a mix of energy sources. Particularly since nobody really knows how much oil exists.

I agree with quite a bit of this, but my thought is that the Keystone Pipeline XL would have helped with 2, while we work on 1.

[boozehound]

I agree with quite a bit of this, but my thought is that the Keystone Pipeline XL would have helped with 2, while we work on 1.

Which is why I'm not necessarily against the Keystone pipeline, as part of a comprehensive Energy strategy. Unfortunately that doesn't really seem to be an option. The options appear to be:

1. We have all the oil we need. Oil is clean and does not pollute. We should never try to stop, or reduce, fossil fuel consumption. The mere concepts of any negative impacts from pollution are completely false.

2. Do you know what the pipeline does to the Caribou? We need to be fully independent from Oil by 2023. Within the next 20 years America will be a post-apocalyptic hellscape complete with lakes of fire and literal acid rain.