Politics Thread

[Caf]

Not sure how old everyone is on here, but I think the problem with our country right now is that people are raised not to fail and get everything they want. Everyone gets a trophy and don’t hurt anyone’s feelings. Only makes sense that now when you don’t get what you want, you cry, blame others, burn cities and take over government buildings. Good times. Our country is in trouble.

Hmm really interesting theory. Very nuanced. I'm going to go with the federal government using its financial power to support risk assets instead of people, the decimation of the ability to earn a living through elitist trade agreements and the decimation of Unions, decades of a Democratic party pushing elitist economic policy while offering inadequate handouts, decades of the GOP making insincere populist promises only to go on to hold minorities and the poorest among us in contempt.

I would really recommend anyone unsure of what's going on here to read "The People, No" by Thomas Frank. It's a history of anti-populism. The BLM crowd is not going anywhere. The MAGA crowd is not going anywhere. They are not just going to accept what they view as an unjust lot in life. Our government is going to start governing for the people or this is just the beginning. The takeaway today cannot be that a line was crossed and now we just need to wag our finger in the face of these people and beef up Congressional security. Lines have been being crossed for years, there are plenty more to be crossed.

[Muskie in dayton]

Yes. Sorry if you thought that would be hard for me to say.

Good, we’re on the same side. Lock them all up, I say. This is hard for Leftists to say, since they have been justifying for this type of crap (and worse) for the last 7 months. They’ll split every hair to condemn MAGA and condone Antifa for the same disgusting behavior.

[paulxu]

Good lord, he's such a baby. He can't constitutionally fire Pence, so he decides to ban Pence's chief of staff from the White House.

[Mrs. Garrett]

Not sure how old everyone is on here, but I think the problem with our country right now is that people are raised not to fail and get everything they want. Everyone gets a trophy and don’t hurt anyone’s feelings. Only makes sense that now when you don’t get what you want, you cry, blame others, burn cities and take over government buildings. Good times. Our country is in trouble.

but this is the attitude of a 75 year old President. Everyone likes to blame the younger generation, but this was incited by him.

I don't disagree that we coddle our youth now a days, but the attitude you mention above came directly from someone who is supposed to be anti the trophy generation.

[paulxu]

The President of the United States has yet to condemn the unlawful actions of the people who stormed our nation's Capitol.

[cutterX]

Watching the surreal events unfold yesterday all I kept thinking of was Nicholson's line from A Few Good Men. " All you did was weaken a country today"
Because really that's what happened.

[Mrs. Garrett]

Watching the surreal events unfold yesterday all I kept thinking of was Nicholson's line from A Few Good Men. " All you did was weaken a country today"
Because really that's what happened.

The Capitol police, basically stepped aside and let the domestic terrorists in. I saw video of an officer taking a selfie with some of them. Doesn't give me a lot of faith.

[boozehound]

but this is the attitude of a 75 year old President. Everyone likes to blame the younger generation, but this was incited by him.

I don't disagree that we coddle our youth now a days, but the attitude you mention above came directly from someone who is supposed to be anti the trophy generation.

I think that the baby boomers are a real shit generation. Their parents' generation won WW2 and basically handed them all good paying jobs on a silver platter during a period of unprecedented growth in the United States. WW2 devastated the productive capacity of the world, and created a huge need for rebuilding. The US was in a great position to take advantage of that because they were essentially the only developed Nation (at the time) that hadn't had to fight on their soil. We got 30 years of insane benefit from that. They walked right out of high school into factory jobs with great benefits and pensions. They worked those jobs for 30 years and retired with great pensions and retiree benefits. Those who went to college similarly presided over unprecedented prosperity. They all then assumed that it was just because they were so awesome, and not at all lucky.

What they also did was preside over a massive wealth transfer from workers to corporations. Elimination of pensions. Benefit reductions. It helped the investment portfolios, but certainly didn't help the next generation of workers. They allowed China to rise to power unchecked. That was great for people who had amassed some wealth - they got to buy stuff cheaper with the money they had accumulated.

They take full credit for the prosperity that they were largely gifted from their parents, but no blame for what they did with it our how they raised their children.

Obviously there is plenty wrong with millenials etc, but I think that the boomers deserve a healthy portion of blame for the predicament we are all in.

[boozehound]

The President of the United States has yet to condemn the unlawful actions of the people who stormed our nation's Capitol.

That's the big difference here.

People who are likening this to some assholes trashing buildings in Portland can fuck right off. Then they can fuck off again. Then a 3rd time.

Domestic terrorists stormed the Capitol building while legislation was in session confirming the election results. They did it because apparently millions of people are so incredibly stupid that they believe our sitting President and his sycophants claims that the election was somehow rigged, despite the fact that so far the only real evidence presented are allegations and the fact that 'lots of people believe the election was stolen'. Gee, I wonder how they got that idea?

So they stormed the Capitol. Not the state Capitol. The Nation's Capitol. The President then gave a speech telling them he 'loved them' but to go home. No condemnation. This isn't a political party, it's a cult.

If people can't see that this is on a very different level, I'm sorry but I just can't have any respect for their intellect or ability to process information.

[Xville]

I think that the baby boomers are a real shit generation. Their parents' generation won WW2 and basically handed them all good paying jobs on a silver platter during a period of unprecedented growth in the United States. WW2 devastated the productive capacity of the world, and created a huge need for rebuilding. The US was in a great position to take advantage of that because they were essentially the only developed Nation (at the time) that hadn't had to fight on their soil. We got 30 years of insane benefit from that. They walked right out of high school into factory jobs with great benefits and pensions. They worked those jobs for 30 years and retired with great pensions and retiree benefits. Those who went to college similarly presided over unprecedented prosperity. They all then assumed that it was just because they were so awesome, and not at all lucky.

What they also did was preside over a massive wealth transfer from workers to corporations. Elimination of pensions. Benefit reductions. It helped the investment portfolios, but certainly didn't help the next generation of workers. They allowed China to rise to power unchecked. That was great for people who had amassed some wealth - they got to buy stuff cheaper with the money they had accumulated.

They take full credit for the prosperity that they were largely gifted from their parents, but no blame for what they did with it our how they raised their children.

Obviously there is plenty wrong with millenials etc, but I think that the boomers deserve a healthy portion of blame for the predicament we are all in.

Kinda with you here, and they primarily raised the millenial generation so they get all of that blame.