Politics Thread

[boozehound]

It's not that people are surprised that the NYT has liberals all across their editorial board/section, it's that those people will not allow her to voice an opposing view without being harassed in her workplace. Tom Cotton's Op-Ed is another example of how insane these people are.

I guess I'm not super-surprised by that, other then the extent to which it may have been sanctioned by the 'higher ups'. I agree with the previous comment that it would be very interesting to see some of the comments exposed via screenshot or other as it would suggest that at least the opinion section of the NYT has kind of 'run amok', if not the whole entity.

Pretty simple actually. You brought up a point, of the three branches of government, the judiciary was probably the only functioning branch (assume using the word “functioning” you meant the way it was intended). I said maybe and insinuated all three might not be.

Since we were on the subject of branches of government, I made the point that oftentimes the press is referred as the 4th branch (sometimes random shit just enters our minds at 9:49pm). The link was to illustrate how broken “this so called branch” is and that was partly the point of the letter writer. Thought this is the way we do things around here? You make a point and you link something that might back up your point.

BTW, my distrust in all branches of government including the press, predates Trump by a long shot. This goes back about 30 years to a course I had at Xavier, when we spent a lot time discussing current events from various newspapers. Yes there was a time when universities allowed you think for yourself politically. Went to school as a Democrat and left as a fiscally conservative Libertarian.

By functioning I was referencing the fact that (1) it seems like the justices take the impartiality of the court seriously and (2) they seem able to be civil despite having very different opinions around the rule of the court.

I've said this before, but I'm particularly impressed by a few of the rulings we have seen from Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. Liberals were foaming at the mouth when those two got confirmed as though they were going to do Trump's bidding. That hasn't been the case and I think it's generally a good thing regardless of your opinion on the individual rulings. They didn't really do anything spectacular, they are just doing their jobs, but I think that's kind of the point.

[Masterofreality]

You think Bari Weiss is a guy and a conservative. Maybe sit this one out?

Yeah. This Bari Weiss thing is prettty prettty instructive.
Any credibility the “Newspaper of Record” has is out the window. Just like most newspapers in general.
Way to light a match on your own industry. Cancel culture is real.

BTW. Here is a profile of Weiss from Vanity Fair. Far from a “conservative”.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.van...rovocateur/amp

[Masterofreality]

I guess I'm not super-surprised by that, other then the extent to which it may have been sanctioned by the 'higher ups'. I agree with the previous comment that it would be very interesting to see some of the comments exposed via screenshot or other as it would suggest that at least the opinion section of the NYT has kind of 'run amok', if not the whole entity.

“The Newspaper of Record” ( Broken Record maybe)

Here is the most pertinent passage from the Resignation Letter, set up by the following preceding sentence:
'"The Paper's failure to anticipate the outcome of the 2016 election meant that it didn't have a firm grasp of the country it covers...
Then this bomb: 'But the lessons that ought to have followed the election-lessons about the importance of understanding other Americans, the necessity of resisting tribalism, and the centrality of the free exchange of ideas to a democratic society- have not been learned. Instead a new consensus has emerged in the press, BUT PERHAPS ESPECIALLY AT THIS PAPER: that truth isn't a process of collective discovery, but an ORTHODOXY ALREADY KNOWN TO AN ENLIGHTENED FEW WHOSE JOB IT IS TO INFORM EVERYONE ELSE.

I added the italics, and all caps for emphasis. But that passage hits the nail on the head- about the Times and every other major media outlet right now.

Oh for the days of a professional Walter Cronkite.

[paulxu]

Federal ethics law: "An employee shall not use or permit the use of his Government position or title or any authority associated with his public office to endorse any product, service or enterprise ... "

[GoMuskies]

Meh, that's not what they're doing. They're "owning the libs".

[bigdiggins]

Federal ethics law: "An employee shall not use or permit the use of his Government position or title or any authority associated with his public office to endorse any product, service or enterprise ... "

But ok for AOC to call for a boycott?

[murray87]

Bingo what Bigdiggins said. And what of the endless calls from the left to "divest" from anything to do with Israel?? They're always attacking the Jews for some reason.

[X Factor]

Columbus, OH wants to read the minds of prospective police officers...

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...e-splc-n645864

The legislation aims to weed out cops who have ties to “hate groups” or who may “silently harbor the beliefs of those groups.” Judson L. Jeffries, professor of African American and African Studies at Ohio State University,

[boozehound]

“The Newspaper of Record” ( Broken Record maybe)

Here is the most pertinent passage from the Resignation Letter, set up by the following preceding sentence:
'"The Paper's failure to anticipate the outcome of the 2016 election meant that it didn't have a firm grasp of the country it covers...
Then this bomb: 'But the lessons that ought to have followed the election-lessons about the importance of understanding other Americans, the necessity of resisting tribalism, and the centrality of the free exchange of ideas to a democratic society- have not been learned. Instead a new consensus has emerged in the press, BUT PERHAPS ESPECIALLY AT THIS PAPER: that truth isn't a process of collective discovery, but an ORTHODOXY ALREADY KNOWN TO AN ENLIGHTENED FEW WHOSE JOB IT IS TO INFORM EVERYONE ELSE.

I added the italics, and all caps for emphasis. But that passage hits the nail on the head- about the Times and every other major media outlet right now.

Oh for the days of a professional Walter Cronkite.

I actually agree with pretty much all of this, with the potential exception of the dig on not anticipating the outcome of the 2016 election. I don't think anyone anticipated the outcome of the 2016 election - that's hardly unique to the NYT.

Now if you think the Foxnews, Breitbart, etc. aren't don't the exact same thing on the right I disagree with that.

I don't trust any media source as being objective right now. If I read an article (or particularly op-ed) from NYT, (particularly) CNN, or WAPO etc. I assume it has a liberal slant. If I read an article from Fox or WSJ I assume it has a conservative slant.

I guess I'm just surprised that it is some sort of bombshell that (particularly the Op-ED side) of the NYT is a bunch of extreme liberals who are intolerant assholes when someone disagrees with them.

[boozehound]

Federal ethics law: "An employee shall not use or permit the use of his Government position or title or any authority associated with his public office to endorse any product, service or enterprise ... "

I think these pictures pretty much some up the absurdity of this Presidency. What a complete fucking clown show this is. Just when you think the optics couldn't get any stupider...

Meh, that's not what they're doing. They're "owning the libs".

Exactly. I think angle that they are promoting Goya is a bit of a reach. Honestly when you consider Trump's approval rating this probably does more harm than good for Goya as I think there are probably more people who won't buy Goya as a result of this than people who will.

But ok for AOC to call for a boycott?

This is a really good point. I also hold Junior members of the House to the same standards as the President.