Politics Thread

**boozehound** · 06-02-2020, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by GoMuskies

I think CNN et al are coming around, but there was definitely a lot of "this destruction is just a legitimate expression of rage" going on at first. And I don't necessarily disagree with what you've said, but the mainstream portion of a party always gets tainted by their extreme wing.

CNN sensationalizes everything. I do think that there were more people who were, if not condoning, more understanding of some of the property destruction etc. initially. Once things really started escalating it cast an uncomfortable light on what was/is really going on.

Originally Posted by xavierj

Want is the saying about doing the same thing over and expecting different results? Maybe the minorities should try something else like voting for a different party to see if they can get some help. Worth a shot.

So out of all the possible reasons minorities are struggling in America you single out Democratic mayors? That is just bizarre logic. You can do that with literally anything. Maybe the problem is that they all have two ears. They should try cutting one off. Worth a shot, right?

Taking that logic a step further: Why hasn't Trump helped them yet? He was going to be the best President ever for the blacks, remember?

I think that the majority of black people would tell you that it doesn't matter who is in the White House, their plight remains relatively consistent. Obama was supposed to be their savior, but I'm not sure all that much really changed when he was President. It's an extraordinarily complex problem with no clear solution.

**xubrew** · 06-02-2020, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by GoMuskies

Trump remains the betting favorite to win the November election as of this morning.

Trump probably will win. If he doesn't, then he still won't go away. He may win again in 2024. I'm not a fan of the guy, but when it comes to winning elections he seems to have a plan and that plan seems to work. For better or worse. Probably for worse.

Originally Posted by GoMuskies

I'm not sure what Joe Biden has done to impress anyone during this election cycle other than continue to be a breathing human being who is not Donald Trump. It's amazing that it may turn out to be enough.

I agree with this. I think the problem is that while Trump knows how to win elections, the Democrats do not know how. It is to the point to where I will actually be surprised if the Dems don't do something really insanely stupid between now and the election that ends up costing them. Trump knows how to fire up his base. The Dems can't seem to keep from burning themselves whenever they try to do the same.

STL_XUfan · 06-02-2020, 11:53 AM

I cannot think of where the police may get the idea that they are free to rough up those in custody.

I have been incredibly disturbed by the repeated images of the police escalating the situation rather than trying to maintain the peace. It has become clear that many of these people lack the temperament to be a police officer and would rather cos-play call of duty.

A couple of examples, but there there are hundreds more I could post:

From Cincinnati-

https://twitter.com/JakeTalks2Much/s...02493151334401

Grand Rapids last night, a man was shot point blank with a tear gas canister:

https://twitter.com/jusalotofpain/st...38427723296768

Minnesota shooting pepper pellets at people in their own property:

https://twitter.com/ArtistNamedJoe/s...53548232019970

I have no love for the idiots damaging property and I hope they are prosecuted. But I also hope like hell that the cops that take these type of aggressive actions are also prosecuted and removed from the force.

Xville · 06-02-2020, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by STL_XUfan

I cannot think of where the police may get the idea that they are free to rough up those in custody.

I have been incredibly disturbed by the repeated images of the police escalating the situation rather than trying to maintain the peace. It has become clear that many of these people lack the temperament to be a police officer and would rather cos-play call of duty.

A couple of examples, but there there are hundreds more I could post:

From Cincinnati-

https://twitter.com/JakeTalks2Much/s...02493151334401

Grand Rapids last night, a man was shot point blank with a tear gas canister:

https://twitter.com/jusalotofpain/st...38427723296768

Minnesota shooting pepper pellets at people in their own property:

https://twitter.com/ArtistNamedJoe/s...53548232019970

I have no love for the idiots damaging property and I hope they are prosecuted. But I also hope like hell that the cops that take these type of aggressive actions are also prosecuted and removed from the force.

Ah yes twitter...such a non biased objective news source, a close second is facebook.

**X-man** · 06-02-2020, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by xubrew

Trump probably will win. If he doesn't, then he still won't go away. He may win again in 2024. I'm not a fan of the guy, but when it comes to winning elections he seems to have a plan and that plan seems to work. For better or worse. Probably for worse.

I agree with this. I think the problem is that while Trump knows how to win elections, the Democrats do not know how. It is to the point to where I will actually be surprised if the Dems don't do something really insanely stupid between now and the election that ends up costing them. Trump knows how to fire up his base. The Dems can't seem to keep from burning themselves whenever they try to do the same.

I think that Trump's win had less to do with his campaign, and more to do with th fact that the Democrats managed to nominate about the only candidate that Trump could beat...in the electoral college only because he lost the popular vote to a highly unpopular candidate.

STL_XUfan · 06-02-2020, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Xville

Ah yes twitter...such a non biased objective news source, a close second is facebook.

They were videos, not second hand accounts. Ignore the words, but at least watch and see if you agree with those tactics.

**boozehound** · 06-02-2020, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by STL_XUfan

They were videos, not second hand accounts. Ignore the words, but at least watch and see if you agree with those tactics.

I was going to respond with exactly that. I'm all for questioning the source of news and not accepting twitter as reliable, but unless you think someone doctored the video, it's a video of the actual guy actually saying that. I don't know how you 'fake news' that one.

A whole bunch of people do seem to agree with that, and it might be part of the reason we have rioting going on right now.