Politics Thread

[paulxu]

Wow. Did you bother to read those articles as I read the ones you noted? Guessing not.

[bjf123]

The WaPo article is behind a paywall. Or, I’ve used my allotment of free articles, which I doubt.


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[Juice]

Sure, I read that. I hope you keep an open mind that there are a lot of facts missing in that article.

You might try her review this morning of missing information:

https://www.emptywheel.net/2020/05/1...l-transcripts/

Or of a career prosecutor that can now speak out (those still at DOJ still can't).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...appened-again/

Perhaps someday we'll see the full transcripts. The concern of people like Sally Yates was that by Flynn lying, he set himself up to be blackmailed by the Russians. That is always a legitimate concern for national security, especially for a brand new administration. You don't want your national security advisor in a position to be compromised. Flynn understood that when he plead guilty twice.

Why don't those blog posts acknowledge the Brady violations? It's pretty hard to enter a guilty plea knowingly, voluntarily, and intelligently without having access to possibly/actually exculpatory evidence.

[paulxu]

It was my understanding that issue had been raised and disposed of.
If a Brady violation occurred, and a relief was necessary, it might be a new trial, not a dismissal:

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000...f-97bb428b0000

[Masterofreality]

It was my understanding that issue had been raised and disposed of.
If a Brady violation occurred, and a relief was necessary, it might be a new trial, not a dismissal:

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000...f-97bb428b0000

Ok, one more piece- this from NOT a partisan site, Newsweek. Enough of your leftist siders Paul.

https://www.newsweek.com/curious-cas...pinion-1503033

[Masterofreality]

It was my understanding that issue had been raised and disposed of.
If a Brady violation occurred, and a relief was necessary, it might be a new trial, not a dismissal:

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000...f-97bb428b0000

Ok, one more piece- this from NOT a partisan site, Newsweek. Enough of your leftist siders Paul.

https://www.newsweek.com/curious-cas...pinion-1503033

[paulxu]

Ok, one more piece- this from NOT a partisan site, Newsweek. Enough of your leftist siders Paul.

https://www.newsweek.com/curious-cas...pinion-1503033

MOR, I read the article you quoted. Interestingly, Barr's Justice Dept has the transcripts...so why isn't he releasing them if they are exculpatory? Certainly he has that power. You can read the undredacted portions in my earlier links.

You obviously did not read the article I linked to last; you just called it a leftist sider...whatever that is. IF you had bothered to click on it, you would have found not an "article" but the complete opinion of the Federal District Court for the District of Columbia, ruling on Flynn's motions. You might enjoy it!

[X-man]

MOR, I read the article you quoted. Interestingly, Barr's Justice Dept has the transcripts...so why isn't he releasing them if they are exculpatory? Certainly he has that power. You can read the undredacted portions in my earlier links.

You obviously did not read the article I linked to last; you just called it a leftist sider...whatever that is. IF you had bothered to click on it, you would have found not an "article" but the complete opinion of the Federal District Court for the District of Columbia, ruling on Flynn's motions. You might enjoy it!

I applaud your efforts, but it is useless. When you already know everything about everything, as MOR does, no other information is relevant unless it supports what you already know to be true. If such information is contrary to what you know, it is fake news and must come from the vast conspiracy of people out to get your fearless leader. Any facts or evidence supporting such fake news is simply more evidence of the conspiracy, and the purveyor of such facts is clearly a leftist/pinko/snowflake (pick a derogatory term) who cannot be trusted. No need to consider sources or the quality of data because it's false on the face of it, and therefore deserves only a Large Eye Roll.

[Masterofreality]

Paul, why did the FBI not share the transcripts with Flynn or allow him to have counsel present?
Below are Direct quotes from the DOJ motion to drop Flynn charges.
This is not “Know It All MOR”. These are facts.
Typical Leftist Name Calling, deflection and finger pointing on your part when you have zero defense.

“After a considered review of all the facts and circumstances of this case, including newly discovered and disclosed information appended to the defendant’ssupplementalpleadings,ECF Nos.181,188-190,1the Governmenthas concluded that the interviewof Mr.Flynnwas untetheredto,andunjustifiedby,the FBI’scounterintelligenceinvestigationintoMr.Flynn— a no longer justifiably predicatedinvestigationthat the FBIhad,in the Bureau’sown words, prepared to close because it had yielded an “absence of any derogatory information.” Ex.1 at 4, FBIFD-1057“ClosingCommunication”Jan.4,2017 (emphasesadded). The Governmentisnot persuaded that the January 24, 2017 interview was conducted with a legitimate investigative basisandthereforedoesnotbelieveMr.Flynn’sstatement swerematerialevenifuntrue. Moreover,we not believe that the Government can prove either the relevant false statements or their materiality beyondareasonabledoubt

....After approximatelyfour monthsof investigation,however,the FBI“determinedthat [Mr. Flynn]was no longer a viable candidate as part of the larger Crossfire Hurricane umbrella case” andpreparedtoclosetheinvestigation.Ex.1 at3. AtsomepointpriortoJanuary4,2017,the FBIdrafted a “Closing Communication”to effect the termination of the case. See Ex.1; Ex.3 at 2, FBIFD-302,Interview of Mary McCord,July 17,2017 (Date of Entry: Aug. 10,2017). This document noted the specific “goal” and predication for the investigation. Ex.1 at 2. It laid out the numerous searches of holdings and investigative steps that had at each step yielded “no derogatory information”on Mr.Flynn.. noting theabsenceofanyderogatoryinformationorleadinformat ion”).Itstatedthattheinvestigation had failed to produce “any information on which to predicate further investigative efforts.” Id.at 3(emphasesadded).AnditnotedthatnointerviewofMr.Fly nnwasrequired“aspartofthe case closing procedure,” before concluding:“The FBIis closing this investigation.

...On January 4, 2017, FBIDeputy Assistant Director Peter Strzok learned that “RAZOR’s closure” had not been timely executed,and the counterintelligence investigationinto Mr.Flynn was,unexpectedly,still formally open. Ex.7 at 1-2. Mr.Strzok immediatelyrelayedthe “serendipitouslygood”newsto Lisa Page,the SpecialCounselto FBIDeputyDirectorAndrew McCabe,remarkingthat “our utter incompetenceactually helpsus.” Id.at 1. Ms.Page reacted withsurpriseandrelief. Id. Mr.Strzok,moreover,instructedagentsto“keepitopenfo rnow”at the behest of “the 7th Floor.

.. FBI HandwrittenNotesof MichaelFlynnInterview(January24,2017).
After the interview,the FBIagentsexpresseduncertaintyas to whether Mr.Flynnhad lied. See Ex.4 at 5. FBIagents reported to their leadership that Mr.Flynn exhibited a “very sure demeanor” and “did not give any indicatorsof deception.” Ex.13 at 3. Both of the agents “had the impression at the time that Flynn was not lying or did not think he was lying.”

Bottom line. Flynn was railroaded by biased rogue agents. Fact. Case closed.

[xuwillie]

put down the red and blue colored glassed and you can see there is some some shady sh-t going on here... that's all