Politics Thread

Smails · 02-06-2020, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by xubrew

Thank you!! What do all of those people think of Mitt Romney now? If he'd had won in 2012 then we're probably better off today by a ton.

Serious question: How do you feel we would be better off today with Romney in office, and who is we? Economy, job market, trade policies, foreign policy, border security, social issues, military, deficit, infrastructure?

**xubrew** · 02-06-2020, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by Smails

Serious question: How do you feel we would be better off today with Romney in office, and who is we? Economy, job market, trade policies, foreign policy, border security, social issues, military, deficit, infrastructure?

Serious answer...I really don't know that we would be. From the Democrats' point of view they thought that the world was going to end if they won, and they kind of went overkill with the negative campaigns on a guy that, quite frankly, nothing like that. Well, now their attitude toward him is a little different.

Xville · 02-06-2020, 07:44 AM

I think the only potential way we would be better off had Romney won would be a less divided country than we have now. It has gotten to the point of adults acting like three year olds with temper tantrums. Obama getting elected and then reelected in 12, was a catalyst for trump getting elected and here we are.

Caf · 02-06-2020, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Xville

I think the only potential way we would be better off had Romney won would be a less divided country than we have now. It has gotten to the point of adults acting like three year olds with temper tantrums. Obama getting elected and then reelected in 12, was a catalyst for trump getting elected and here we are.

I feel this way about McCain's election. I think of his decision to pick Palin as a turning point, especially after it later came out he really wanted Lieberman. A split party White House, or just a Presidential ticket, could have done the country a lot of good. Of course there's probably 1000 examples like this.

**xubrew** · 02-06-2020, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Xville

I think the only potential way we would be better off had Romney won would be a less divided country than we have now. It has gotten to the point of adults acting like three year olds with temper tantrums. Obama getting elected and then reelected in 12, was a catalyst for trump getting elected and here we are.

In my opinion, that is not a small thing

Xville · 02-06-2020, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by xubrew

In my opinion, that is not a small thing

True, I just dont know whether who got elected would have made a difference, maybe yes, maybe no. There are a lot of things that have occurred over the last 10 or so years that I think are also big contributors to this division; the rise of social media, the 24/7 news cycle that instead of objectively reporting the news insert their extreme opinions, etc etc.

I'll give a quick anecdote about the news media...was watching the first few minutes of the today show this morning and they were talking about trump's acquittal, and spent about five minutes talking about Romney's vote. Instead of just objectively stating that and Romney's reasons for why, they had to get into their opinion of how trump has divided the Republican party and what does this mean for the election blah blah blah. It's complete nonsense, but is indicative of how the news media reports events nowadays.

STL_XUfan · 02-06-2020, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by Xville

True, I just dont know whether who got elected would have made a difference, maybe yes, maybe no. There are a lot of things that have occurred over the last 10 or so years that I think are also big contributors to this division; the rise of social media, the 24/7 news cycle that instead of objectively reporting the news insert their extreme opinions, etc etc.

I'll give a quick anecdote about the news media...was watching the first few minutes of the today show this morning and they were talking about trump's acquittal, and spent about five minutes talking about Romney's vote. Instead of just objectively stating that and Romney's reasons for why, they had to get into their opinion of how trump has divided the Republican party and what does this mean for the election blah blah blah. It's complete nonsense, but is indicative of how the news media reports events nowadays.

It is essentially sports coverage. The coverage of the results is minimum as compared to the punditry of predicting the results in the lead up to the event.

**paulxu** · 02-06-2020, 09:51 AM

If I recall (perhaps incorrectly) after Clinton's acquittal, he made a statement admitting his mistakes, the harm he had caused, and apologized for his actions.

For some reason I'm thinking Trump's statement today will not be in that vein. Hope I'm wrong. Maybe he'll surprise me.

**xudash** · 02-06-2020, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by paulxu

If I recall (perhaps incorrectly) after Clinton's acquittal, he made a statement admitting his mistakes, the harm he had caused, and apologized for his actions.

For some reason I'm thinking Trump's statement today will not be in that vein. Hope I'm wrong. Maybe he'll surprise me.

Paul, Clinton literally lied and was caught at it.

What mistakes did Trump make?

And even if he made "mistakes", as a fair and balanced QUID PRO QUO, how about you have your boy Schiffy and company step to the podium and admit what they did in all this. Oh, and have the Bidens step up to the podium as well.