Politics Thread

[X-man]

So Fox isn't "fair and balanced" after all. Who knew??? Link: https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...for-us-anymore.

[JTG]

High school academic performance is a much better indicator of college performance than standardized tests. The only money grab is on the part of standardized test services and the places that teach kids how to beat the tests.

Great decision by X.

The fallacy of this is some high schools are much easier than others. A's at some schools would be C's at other schools. Hence, the standardized test.

[XUOWNSUC]

The fallacy of this is some high schools are much easier than others. A's at some schools would be C's at other schools. Hence, the standardized test.

Xavier should have a pretty good idea of which schools are which. Plus, they should have a ton of data showing which students from which schools fair the best when they come to Xavier. It isn't hard.

Why should they give a ton of weight to a stupid test that is taken during ONE day and that can be "gamed" by students taking review/prep classes?

My wife didn't take a review/prep course and barely got over 1000 on her SAT. She had a 4.0 at Xavier. Shows you how accurate they are.

The tests suck and I'm glad Xavier doesn't care that much about them any more.

[scoscox]

How is it a money grab that looks bad?

It looks bad for a number of reasons. On the surface it just looks like they’re abolishing admissions standards and any schmuck can get in now. From the money perspective it looks like a way to skirt admissions standards and inflate enrollment

[Muskie in dayton]

It looks bad for a number of reasons. On the surface it just looks like they’re abolishing admissions standards and any schmuck can get in now. From the money perspective it looks like a way to skirt admissions standards and inflate enrollment

Because they scrap a poor indicator of college performance, they somehow are compromising admission standards? That makes no sense.

[scoscox]

Wouldn’t eliminating an admissions requirement based on an academic test qualify as something that may compromise admission standards? I don’t think that was out of line. Maybe you can enlighten me

Also what source are you citing with your claim about them not being a good predictor of performance?

[JTG]

It looks bad for a number of reasons. On the surface it just looks like they’re abolishing admissions standards and any schmuck can get in now. From the money perspective it looks like a way to skirt admissions standards and inflate enrollment

Don't we as as alums yearn for a student body made up of trust fund dummies ? As for gaming the tests, you can also game classes, once your in college.

[Muskie in dayton]

Wouldn’t eliminating an admissions requirement based on an academic test qualify as something that may compromise admission standards? I don’t think that was out of line. Maybe you can enlighten me

Also what source are you citing with your claim about them not being a good predictor of performance?

OK, here’s a few:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...?noredirect=on
https://news.psu.edu/story/165456/20...icator-success
https://growingleaders.com/blog/do-s...udent-success/
http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/op_ed...t_predict.html
https://qz.com/853128/grades-not-iq-...uture-success/
https://bized.aacsb.edu/articles/201...tudent-success

I also base this on my experience and conversations over the year with friends, neighbors and co-workers on this topic.

When my daughter was looking at colleges, we also looked into those ACT/SAT prep classes. They guaranteed if I gave them a few thousand $ for her to take their class, her scores would go up by at least 5 points. So effectively I could pay for someone to show her how to game the test. This is nothing but a “lite” version of what those Hollywood stars are going to jail for.

Oh, by the way, I did find a few sources indicating what a great indicator standardized test scores are of college success. You guessed it - the places selling the “test prep” classes... Yeah.

[scoscox]

Prep classes are a total scam sure and no doubt those companies are trying to turn a buck but I don’t see it as some sort of out of control racket. Thanks for the sources

[paulxu]

This is a little off the subject, but prep classes for the bar exam seem to be beneficial.