Politics Thread

**boozehound** · 10-05-2018, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by xudash

You know what, I've only put myself into this thread because of the Left's heinous treatment of Kavanaugh in this PROCESS. It is not a process. It is a concerted effort on the Left's part to do anything and everything they can to block the Supreme Court from bending back towards the right due to a Supreme being nominated by and confirmed for Trump.

So you don't believe it is possible that deep state gamesmanship crap is taking place. I hope you're right. I frankly don't make it my hobby to dig into it. BTW, we're similar in our beliefs based upon what you revealed about yourself. I place myself as a moderate conservative with an emphasis on the two things you noted: fiscal responsibility and personal freedom and self-reliance (responsibility).

People from the far Right and the far Left bother me. They're extreme, obviously, by default. What happened in Charlottesville was terrible. Loony leftist activist idiots who harass people while they're trying to have dinner or whatever is a great example of a new low for our society.

You mentioned the (theoretically) peaceful protest. There is nothing peaceful about those leftist activists who confront and scream their drivel at people, just as there is nothing peaceful about an idiot mowing people down with a car. At least my brain seems to process what I see as being well past "peaceful" and dare I offer "productive" protests. In short, there is way too much misguided emotion and passion on both ends of the political spectrum now; these people are too lathered up.

As I noted, it isn't my hobby to attempt to track potential conspiracies, but it doesn't take much time to find compelling reporting about the potential for it:

https://nypost.com/2018/10/01/look-w...levator-setup/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...609-story.html

George Soros is one evil SOB. His vision for the United States is dreadful.

The country seems very split these days and it appears to be on a track that will only lead to a wider fracture. And the Democrats, in particular in this case, made a mockery of a process that otherwise should have gone much more smoothly. It certainly has cost a very good man his reputation and it has put he and his family through hell. And she is clearly getting exposed now. The two front doors nonsense. The fear of flying nonsense. At the very least, to the extent we've learned anything else since last Thursday, it's that Kavanaugh's testimony, as supported by his behavior and actions throughout his career, appears to be more credible than her testimony.

Do you honestly believe that she would serve jail time if her story fell short? This appears to be a situation where certain people knew going in that it was going to come down to "he said" / "she said." Her attorneys coached her through her response stream. Where's the risk in that for your premise? She'll probably end up with a book deal out of all this. Kavanaugh will end up on the court. And they'll both probably have to live rather uncomfortable existences for a while.

You are claiming to be a moderate conservative, however your word choice suggests to me that you consume a lot of far-right media. Your links to the Chicago Tribune and (an opinion article from) the New York Post, corroborate that. Do you think an opinion article from the New York Post is a reliable source? Without using conservative op-ed articles, what is George Soros' "vision for the United States" and why is he "one evil SOB"? The conspiracy theories about Soros being some kind of evil mastermind are a level of far-right tinfoil-hat stuff that far surpasses 'moderate conservatism', IMO.

You also seem to be coming from a place of 100% certainty that Kavanaugh is innocent, which I'm not sure has been proven. There is a difference between there not being enough evidence to proceed with a case and a complete certainty of innocence.

You intimated in your initial post that somehow George Soros was going to transfer money to Dr. Ford in exchange for her bringing false charges against Kavanaugh. I do think she would go to jail for that. I do not think she would, or should, go to jail in the current state. Putting accusers in jail when their claims are not found to be without merit is an extremely slippery slope, and should only be done in clear cases of false accusations. I certainly don't see where there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Dr. Ford made a false accusation.

**boozehound** · 10-05-2018, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by bjf123

Assuming he is confirmed, and it looks like that will be the case, the top Democrat on the House Judicial Committee has already said they’ll be looking to impeach Kavanaugh when they take control of the House in November. He’ll stay on the bench because you’ll never get 67 Senators to vote to remove him. So, we’ll have to sit through that circus for a few weeks. Yippee.

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They should pipe down on that shit and focus on things that might actually get them elected if they want to have a chance at it. It's hard to see impeaching Kavanaugh as a significant political play outside of the left wing echo chambers.

**GoMuskies** · 10-05-2018, 12:33 PM

Here's an interesting Tweet:

27 Senators have served continuously since 2005. Comprehensive list of those who voted to confirm Roberts, Alito, Sotomayor, Kagan, & Gorsuch:
1. Collins
2. Graham

Juice · 10-05-2018, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by boozehound

You are claiming to be a moderate conservative, however your word choice suggests to me that you consume a lot of far-right media. Your links to the Chicago Tribune and (an opinion article from) the New York Post, corroborate that. Do you think an opinion article from the New York Post is a reliable source? Without using conservative op-ed articles, what is George Soros' "vision for the United States" and why is he "one evil SOB"? The conspiracy theories about Soros being some kind of evil mastermind are a level of far-right tinfoil-hat stuff that far surpasses 'moderate conservatism', IMO.

You also seem to be coming from a place of 100% certainty that Kavanaugh is innocent, which I'm not sure has been proven. There is a difference between there not being enough evidence to proceed with a case and a complete certainty of innocence.

You intimated in your initial post that somehow George Soros was going to transfer money to Dr. Ford in exchange for her bringing false charges against Kavanaugh. I do think she would go to jail for that. I do not think she would, or should, go to jail in the current state. Putting accusers in jail when their claims are not found to be without merit is an extremely slippery slope, and should only be done in clear cases of false accusations. I certainly don't see where there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Dr. Ford made a false accusation.

Issue 1 in Ohio is his vision for America

**GoMuskies** · 10-05-2018, 01:37 PM

Collins is going to break the Internet in about 25 minutes.

Caf · 10-05-2018, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by GoMuskies

Collins is going to break the Internet in about 25 minutes.

This is going to be nuts no matter what she does. I bet she's no but Manchin is yes.

**GoMuskies** · 10-05-2018, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Caf

This is going to be nuts no matter what she does. I bet she's no but Manchin is yes.

I can't believe Manchin is yes if Collins is no. He's not going to be the deciding vote in Kav's favor. If Collins is yes, Manchin is definitely yes, though.