Politics Thread

[Caf]

Do we have a barfing emoticon here?

This is the closest I could find. I sure hope that emoji has insurance!

[waggy]

Subsequent the crash in 2008 I lost everything. I was unemployed, then underempolyed. Now I'm working full time, but my income is not close to what it once was. I won't quote numbers, because it's a little embarrassing, but I'm low income and can't afford insurance. And my employer can't afford to offer it. Last year I applied for the ACA government subsidized bullshit. My experience/feeling is that the providers aren't really interested in providing care for persons like me. I had difficulty even finding a provider, and then never did find a doctor in the network that would see me, except for one I didn't want to go to. I broke my foot, which spurred the whole thing. I ended up buying a walking boot and hoping for the best. I only have to drag my leg a little now (j/k). The system is crap if you ask me, and i tried to use it.

So taxes this year.. I was enrolled in the healthcare program for 6 months. For those 6 months I was considered to have insurance. But for the other 6 I didn't have insurance, it was a penalty of $57/month. So $300+ taken from my return.

It's just another form of taxation.

Awesome system. And Fuck YOU.

[Caf]

Subsequent the crash in 2008 I lost everything. I was unemployed, then underempolyed. Now I'm working full time, but my income is not close to what it once was. I won't quote numbers, because it's a little embarrassing, but I'm low income and can't afford insurance. And my employer can't afford to offer it. Last year I applied for the ACA government subsidized bullshit. My experience/feeling is that the providers aren't really interested in providing care for persons like me. I had difficulty even finding a provider, and then never did find a doctor in the network that would see me, except for one I didn't want to go to. I broke my foot, which spurred the whole thing. I ended up buying a walking boot and hoping for the best. I only have to drag my leg a little now (j/k). The system is crap if you ask me, and i tried to use it.

So taxes this year.. I was enrolled in the healthcare program for 6 months. For those 6 months I was considered to have insurance. But for the other 6 I didn't have insurance, it was a penalty of $57/month. So $300+ taken from my return.

It's just another form of taxation.

Awesome system. And Fuck YOU.

ACA sucks. All of the problems you listed about the ACA are real, but all of them were worse before ACA. Providers wouldn't be interested in providing you care under AHCA and it wouldn't be affordable if they were. However, the system is crap because it was never fully enacted. Insurance works best with a wide and deep user base. Further mandate people be in the system, allow the FDA to negotiate prices with drug companies, and allow people to buy insurance across state lines and I think it has a chance.

The ACA penalty totally sucks, but if it was going to work it was necessary and probably would have to be even more. I got crushed by it. Took a temp job for half the year that offered a terrible plan I couldn't afford, so I rolled the dice and turned it down. The penalty is worse if your employer offered a plan, so that was a cool $500, which turned a return into a payment.

[waggy]

ACA sucks. All of the problems you listed about the ACA are real, but all of them were worse before ACA..

Not sure if you're apologizing for this system. But whatever, I'm not buying what's being sold. I'm low income and I have to shell out more, for worthlessness. I could maybe justify it if the system works, and it probably does for some, but that's not my personal experience.

[boozehound]

So their study is partly based on life expectancy and they admit that health care isn't the only factor? So it's actually not a study of health care at all.

I think this is a fair point, however I'm not sure that there are a lot of studies out here that don't rank the US below much of Western Europe in terms of healthcare. The wild card is our unhealthy lifestyle, which impacts many of the statistics uses to evaluate healthcare. It's hard to completely unravel that from any study on healthcare. I also will agree that longevity isn't a great measure of healthcare quality, and is a more accurate measure of total lifestyle. It's also a fact that we spend more per capita. When you combine those factors (I think) it's hard not to see a system in need of significant reform.

[Caf]

Not sure if you're apologizing for this system. But whatever, I'm not buying what's being sold. I'm low income and I have to shell out more, for worthlessness. I could maybe justify it if the system works, and it probably does for some, but that's not my personal experience.

Apologizing? I'm acknowledging that it's a bad program, but that it's an improvement. Under ACA you had a shot at coverage, even though it was a bad one. Some people got it when they needed it and it worked. However, under the old system, and the proposed AHCA, you still wouldn't have gotten coverage and neither would have the others that it worked for. The only difference is you would have saved money on taxes. The lack of doctor options is seriously messed up. Looking back it's insane they didn't have a solution for that. It would have made an enormous difference.

[X-man]

Juice, let's cut through this garbage. What do you think people who cannot afford private insurance or don't get it from work should ideally do when they need health care? What options should they have?

The silence is deafening whenever you ask such question from posters supporting Trumpcare. I am still waiting for a response from XU87, and I'm guessing you will have the same experience trying to get an answer from Juice.

[Caf]

The silence is deafening whenever you ask such question from posters supporting Trumpcare. I am still waiting for a response from XU87, and I'm guessing you will have the same experience trying to get an answer from Juice.

I've said it a number of times, but what I find confounding is the "We shouldn't force people to pay for others' insurance." argument, because we already do. If someone absolutely needs healthcare, they get it. That's a simple fact. So why not do that more efficiently and effectively?

[boozehound]

I've said it a number of times, but what I find confounding is the "We shouldn't force people to pay for others' insurance." argument, because we already do. If someone absolutely needs healthcare, they get it. That's a simple fact. So why not do that more efficiently and effectively?

A lot of people are getting their information from politicians who are being paid millions of dollars by the health insurance industry to support their profitability. Single payer would almost eliminate health insurance.

[XU 87]

The silence is deafening whenever you ask such question from posters supporting Trumpcare. I am still waiting for a response from XU87, and I'm guessing you will have the same experience trying to get an answer from Juice.

I raised the issue of what are "rights' and what are "wishes". That topic was apparently a little too intellectual for you since you gave no response to this topic, and consistent with your past practice, instead resorted to calling me names and then you tried to change the topic.

If you respond to this post, I again request that you do so without yelling at your computer or calling me names.