Justin Martin

**paulxu** · 01-10-2014, 11:44 AM

Just don't take your elbow swing above the shoulders. Solves all the problems.

ammtd34 · 01-10-2014, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by paulxu

Just don't take your elbow swing above the shoulders. Solves all the problems.

Easier said than done when you grab a rebound in traffic. You're taught to protect the ball in the very way guys are getting called for flagrant fouls.

MHettel · 01-10-2014, 01:10 PM

JMart has definately been playing better.

What we need him to do is really play within himself. He's a shooter, whose shot was previously not falling. Now that the shot is falling (and improving his confidence), he's starting to do a bit more ballhanding, and trying to finish on the break and those types of things. he simply doesnt have the handles or agility / dexterity necessary to do those things, and it still often results in something bad happening (case in point late in second half he ballhandled in the halfcourt and turned it over which led to a fast break lapup while Dee and Semaj both were on the court and should have handled the ball).

Martin needs to keep his confidence HIGH with his shot, and focus on playing within himself. This team has alot of guys that can do alot of stuff offensively, and if they each stay within their games we can limit mistakes and win alot of ballgames.

Also, his FT shooting has been really good lately.

smileyy · 01-10-2014, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by ammtd34

Easier said than done when you grab a rebound in traffic. You're taught to protect the ball in the very way guys are getting called for flagrant fouls.

It'll probably get easier once players have spent their whole lives being taught not to swing their elbows above their shoulders, lest they get called for a flagrant foul. Most of these guys have only been playing under these rules for a season or two.

**Masterofreality** · 01-10-2014, 06:43 PM

I have never been so happy to be so wrong. .

After the BAH-hamas:

"-Justin Martin: Uh, no remaining upside. But when he plays well, like against Iowa for a while, this team flourishes. Just goes to show how important the 3 is to your offense. Cannot EVER make a big 3 when you need one and cannot stay focused. Was schooled by Roy Marble of Iowa. Maybe the most frustrating player I have ever seen at X. His Role: Sub 3 but would rather see Semaj in there mostly."

JMart is playing solid basketball in all respects, scoring, rebounding and defense. Superb.

By the way. I'm also very happy to be so wrong about Dee Davis who I said whose role going forward was to be "backup point guard".

I love being made to look like an ass when Xavier wins. I ain't proud.

XU-PA · 01-10-2014, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

He did play a great game and got jobbed on that late elbow.

Officials hands are really tied. make contact with that elbow above the shoulders, flagrant 1. no allowance for intent or even in last night case when the "fouled" players leaned in and intiated the contact.

It's something that every player has to unlearn, taught for years to "chin" that ball with elbows out to keep hands from latching on, if there's any coach out there still teaching it that way, someone please tell them to stop!

**SkyWalker** · 01-10-2014, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by kyxu

I don't think the call was as bad as the rule itself. I think the rule is if it's an elbow to the face, regardless of intent, it's an automatic flagrant 1, hence the call. The official was just enforcing the dumb rule, though I could be mistaken.

I absolutely agree with this. In last night's situation, the defender is basically doing everything possible to aggressively rip the ball from Martin and does not care if a foul is called. Justin is just trying to protect the ball albeit aggressively. I think the two aggressive plays should just offset and no Flagrant foul should be called. But that is the rule for now (a dumb rule) that the officials needed to enforce.

Thor in 204 · 01-10-2014, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by MHettel

JMart has definately been playing better.

What we need him to do is really play within himself. He's a shooter, whose shot was previously not falling. Now that the shot is falling (and improving his confidence), he's starting to do a bit more ballhanding, and trying to finish on the break and those types of things. he simply doesnt have the handles or agility / dexterity necessary to do those things, and it still often results in something bad happening (case in point late in second half he ballhandled in the halfcourt and turned it over which led to a fast break lapup while Dee and Semaj both were on the court and should have handled the ball).

Martin needs to keep his confidence HIGH with his shot, and focus on playing within himself. This team has alot of guys that can do alot of stuff offensively, and if they each stay within their games we can limit mistakes and win alot of ballgames.

Also, his FT shooting has been really good lately.

I disagree about his ballhandling in that although he's not a sure thing bringing the ball upcourt, he has finished several breaks nicely and can also get into the lane and to the rim. He has a knack for driving down the right side of the lane and finishing from about the low block. He knows how to vary speed as he gets into the lane and uses his length to get past or around defenders. If he gets into tight defense he's pretty good at getting fouled, and as you have noted, is making his free throws. I hope he gets more confident and asserts himself more on offense by taking the ball into the paint and running a lane on fast breaks and finishing.