Politics Thread

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Originally Posted by Caf

I completely agree, especially about Dallas. It's a self perpetuating problem. I don't however think saying these protesters should be suppressed as they're protesting what they perceive to be a major issue helps quell tensions either.

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I don't think anybody has suggested that as a solution. The criticism is directed at media and certain political leaders handling these situations irresponsibly.

At some point though, when people start sniping police officers from the rooftops, it's no longer a protest and needs to be subdued.

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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

I believe, if an officer commits battery or a killing that is deemed excessive, that office should be arrested on the spot.

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For the most part that is what happens

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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

It's a tough issue that has many layers.

I am white and will never know what it's like to be a minority every day. I don't have that notion in the back of my head that I could be stopped and harassed because of my race by cops at any time. Yes, this happens. I know blacks and latinos from all walks of life and each have stories of harassment. That wears people down whether you believe it does or not. In this age of social media and cameras on all phones, even things that don't occur often go viral.

When a crime is committed on me, I would hope I would be a better man than to demand revenge. Remember, to err is human to forgive divine. We all went to the same school and know who said that.

The worst issue for me and the one I cannot understand is how we have what I believe a huge minority of police that are problems and why can't the vast majority who do the job correctly police their own? It is almost like they don't want to do it. If they just did it and it was visible, the public might not be so adversarial to police. I think people just want police to be accountable. I believe, if an officer commits battery or a killing that is deemed excessive, that office should be arrested on the spot.

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I have no problem with an emphasis on clearing out rotten apples that exist in police forces throughout the country. I certainly don't condone police brutality.

I have a problem with how the officer reacted in the following story: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ys/1189843002/

Now, with all that offered, I have a real problem with the lack of focus on what causes children of any race to go rotten themselves. The lack of respect for human life. The meltdown of the American family unit. Not educating young boys and girls about being responsible and about doing things in life that will enable them to lead a productive, positive life.

In fact, I'm probably wrong in how I wrote the above sentence. There is much being done in trying to make society better. It's just that it isn't as newsworthy as guns and bullets, etc.

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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

It's a tough issue that has many layers.

I am white and will never know what it's like to be a minority every day. I don't have that notion in the back of my head that I could be stopped and harassed because of my race by cops at any time. Yes, this happens. I know blacks and latinos from all walks of life and each have stories of harassment. That wears people down whether you believe it does or not. In this age of social media and cameras on all phones, even things that don't occur often go viral.

When a crime is committed on me, I would hope I would be a better man than to demand revenge. Remember, to err is human to forgive divine. We all went to the same school and know who said that.

The worst issue for me and the one I cannot understand is how we have what I believe a huge minority of police that are problems and why can't the vast majority who do the job correctly police their own? It is almost like they don't want to do it. If they just did it and it was visible, the public might not be so adversarial to police. I think people just want police to be accountable. I believe, if an officer commits battery or a killing that is deemed excessive, that office should be arrested on the spot.

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The F.O.P. does not allow this to happen!

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Originally Posted by scoscox

I don't think anybody has suggested that as a solution.

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The President did

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Originally Posted by xudash

Now, with all that offered, I have a real problem with the lack of focus on what causes children of any race to go rotten themselves. The lack of respect for human life. The meltdown of the American family unit. Not educating young boys and girls about being responsible and about doing things in life that will enable them to lead a productive, positive life.

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That is a whole other can of worms. I bet if someone looked there may be a correlation with the increase in divorce and an increase in single parents with overall wage stagnation. The number two cause of divorce is money related issues. Wages started to stagnate in the early 70s. As a result of that stagnation, we saw an ever increasing number of women enter the work place to account for the loss of household income. That results in a lot more day care and when the kids are older a lot more time they watch themselves. I would imagine it's worse for households that are poor. How can a parent choose between being active in a child's life and providing for them. Like I said, it is a huge can of worms.

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Originally Posted by scoscox

Why would that lead to a recession?

By the way, recessions will happen every 20 years like clockwork for almost always totally unpredictable reasons and are unavoidable no matter what policy is in place. Overreacting to the natural cycles of the economy only leads to more problems later on down the road.

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Not the cause but a result or companies predicting a near future downturn. The number of apartments that are under construction here is crazy.

Yes recessions do happen all the time, but things like ever increasing consumer debt and ever increasing debt terms should be alarming. People casually discuss debt, but nobody is asking why loans for durable goods have increasing terms. 50 years ago, people bought new cars with cash. Car loans now range from 5-7 years. I have heard of 40 year home loans as well. I think I will see a 50 year loan in my lifetime and a 10 year car loan.

40-50 year mortgages are fine, because the asset shouldn't lose value. 10 year car loans? Ick. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be the one providing the money for that!

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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

Yes recessions do happen all the time, but things like ever increasing consumer debt and ever increasing debt terms should be alarming. People casually discuss debt, but nobody is asking why loans for durable goods have increasing terms. 50 years ago, people bought new cars with cash. Car loans now range from 5-7 years. I have heard of 40 year home loans as well. I think I will see a 50 year loan in my lifetime and a 10 year car loan.

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Easy credit is probably the only dependable indicator of bubbles and recessions resulting from them. It is present in nearly every recession or collapse in history.

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Originally Posted by Caf

The President did

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Are you talking about the NFL protests? Because yes I agree that Trump is in the wrong to call for that. As far as the old BLM protests, many of those turned violent and calling to quell those protests was appropriate.