Politics Thread

[Lloyd Braun]

I don't think that's quite what Xville is saying Lloyd. It's more equating, "I don't hate cops, I've got cop friends" with "I'm not racist, I have black friends".

Actually I think it’s the opposite situation here. Those statements are defensive situations to dismiss an accusation of racism or hating cops, whereas Arizonaxugrad was assumingly questioning Xville’s background to understand why Xville believes this is not a major problem. Which was answered as basically it does not occur enough or severely enough to be a major problem, and when it does occur it was probably deserved, and cops have a tough job (which they do).

[scoscox]

I can't speak for any city save for Phoenix. I see a ton of apartments going up all around Phoenix. If there is an open space, they are tossing up an apartment complex. I just think they are predicting the same recession I am. When you can't rent homes, you have to get yourself an apartment.

Why would that lead to a recession?

By the way, recessions will happen every 20 years like clockwork for almost always totally unpredictable reasons and are unavoidable no matter what policy is in place. Overreacting to the natural cycles of the economy only leads to more problems later on down the road.

[xudash]

Since when are police granted the power to dole out punishment. This a huge problem with police today. They think that it’s their place to go beyond detain and arrest. It’s not and the needs to be corrected.


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Maybe you're right. In the event some day some really bad person walks up to you and beats the living crap out of you, steals your wallet, spits on you, laughs about it and then struggles mightily as he is caught by the police in front of you, make sure you tell the police he is a misunderstood individual who is oppressed. Tell them to take good care of him. Have them take the money from your wallet to pay for milk and cookies to be kept in their back seat to comfort and settle the misunderstood, violent "victim" of a Republican society.

I'm not talking about doling out punishment on the spot. If a person resists arrest and does so rather violently, they're going to be put into the squad car a little roughly. That's their fault, not the fault of the arresting police.

[Caf]

In my opinion, yes it is the number to which this becomes a "major" problem or not. I'd equate this to illegal immigrants killing or sexually assaulting citizens. Does it happen? Yep. However, I don't think its a "major" problem.

As a country, we really need to start attacking the major issues. In this case, I'm much more concerned with citizens killing citizens which is much more of a "major" problem.

This is where I get lost. I see what you're saying and believe it is a reasonable, albeit subjective, opinion. The same could be said of the opinion that this is a major issue, no? If your issue with this is that players and the media are misrepresenting the severity of the issue, then you've already acknowledged that it is one in the first place. So what's the big deal? They have a different opinion about the severity, and want to bring light to it. So what? In your eyes, is a player kneeling for the anthem a bigger issue than the one they're protesting about?

[xudash]

In my opinion, yes it is the number to which this becomes a "major" problem or not. I'd equate this to illegal immigrants killing or sexually assaulting citizens. Does it happen? Yep. However, I don't think its a "major" problem.

As a country, we really need to start attacking the major issues. In this case, I'm much more concerned with citizens killing citizens which is much more of a "major" problem.

Your absolutely correct about that, but that narrative is anathema to liberals.

[scoscox]

This is where I get lost. I see what you're saying and believe it is a reasonable, albeit subjective, opinion. The same could be said of the opinion that this is a major issue, no? If your issue with this is that players and the media are misrepresenting the severity of the issue, then you've already acknowledged that it is one in the first place. So what's the big deal? They have a different opinion about the severity, and want to bring light to it. So what? In your eyes, is a player kneeling for the anthem a bigger issue than the one they're protesting about?

Falsely portraying it as a widespread problem often leads to escalating violent confrontations between police and citizens, most memorably the shooting of 5 police officers in Dallas.

There's a difference between shining a light on a problem and dishonestly portraying its scope to push an agenda.

[Caf]

Portraying it as a widespread problem often leads to escalating violent confrontations between police and citizens, most memorably the shooting of 5 police officers in Dallas.

I completely agree, especially about Dallas. It's a self perpetuating problem. I don't however think saying these protesters should be suppressed as they're protesting what they perceive to be a major issue helps quell tensions either.

[Xville]

This is where I get lost. I see what you're saying and believe it is a reasonable, albeit subjective, opinion. The same could be said of the opinion that this is a major issue, no? If your issue with this is that players and the media are misrepresenting the severity of the issue, then you've already acknowledged that it is one in the first place. So what's the big deal? They have a different opinion about the severity, and want to bring light to it. So what? In your eyes, is a player kneeling for the anthem a bigger issue than the one they're protesting about?

Honestly, I dont care if a player kneels or not. To each their own as it is a free country, and they have a right to Express their opinion. Kaep is mainly a piece of shit because 1.) The pig reference and 2.) Says it is a systematic problem which is the biggslest bunch of bullshit I have ever heard. 3.) The lie that he made a big sacrifice which is a slap in the face to the people that actually did or are making sacrifices every day in this country.

What I have a problem with are the lies and sensationalism perpetrated by the media and the "victim's" families that not only seek to make money off their sons or daughters but incite riots based off false narratives.

[Caf]

Honestly, I dont care if a player kneels or not. To each their own as it is a free country, and they have a right to Express their opinion. Kaep is mainly a piece of shit because 1.) The pig reference and 2.) Says it is a systematic problem which is the biggslest bunch of bullshit I have ever heard. 3.) The lie that he made a big sacrifice which is a slap in the face to the people that actually did or are making sacrifices every day in this country.

What I have a problem with are the lies and sensationalism perpetrated by the media and the "victim's" families that not only seek to make money off their sons or daughters but incite riots based off false narratives.

Then I'm largely with you especially on 1. He is definitely not the ideologue to get behind.

Ultimately though I think the bulk of people behind him, and specifically Nike, can justify it because Trump and many others have called for them to be forced to stand or fired. I can't rationalize that stance to be honest.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

This is where I get lost. I see what you're saying and believe it is a reasonable, albeit subjective, opinion. The same could be said of the opinion that this is a major issue, no? If your issue with this is that players and the media are misrepresenting the severity of the issue, then you've already acknowledged that it is one in the first place. So what's the big deal? They have a different opinion about the severity, and want to bring light to it. So what? In your eyes, is a player kneeling for the anthem a bigger issue than the one they're protesting about?

It's a tough issue that has many layers.

I am white and will never know what it's like to be a minority every day. I don't have that notion in the back of my head that I could be stopped and harassed because of my race by cops at any time. Yes, this happens. I know blacks and latinos from all walks of life and each have stories of harassment. That wears people down whether you believe it does or not. In this age of social media and cameras on all phones, even things that don't occur often go viral.

When a crime is committed on me, I would hope I would be a better man than to demand revenge. Remember, to err is human to forgive divine. We all went to the same school and know who said that.

The worst issue for me and the one I cannot understand is how we have what I believe a huge minority of police that are problems and why can't the vast majority who do the job correctly police their own? It is almost like they don't want to do it. If they just did it and it was visible, the public might not be so adversarial to police. I think people just want police to be accountable. I believe, if an officer commits battery or a killing that is deemed excessive, that office should be arrested on the spot.