Politics Thread

Yeesh, even Trump thinks universal healthcare is great.

I saw a garter snake in my lawn the other day sliver by. Think I'm going to name him Paul Ryan. ba doom tiish!

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The obligations we share as a society are outlined by the Constitution. Yes, I believe every US citizen should have access to all those things you mentioned (they do) however I don't believe we should force people to pay for other people's life indefinitely.

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You're lying to yourself. We are forced to pay for other people's life indefinitely already. Unless you'd rather let medical professionals turn away people, this will forever be the reality.

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Originally Posted by Caf

You're lying to yourself. We are forced to pay for other people's life indefinitely already. Unless you'd rather let medical professionals turn away people, this will forever be the reality.

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No. I hate the sick and the elderly. Jokes on them.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Here's a brief overview that might be instructive.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/me...11&w=740&la=en

A more detailed analysis can be found here.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/me...es_2015_v7.pdf

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I'm going to call bullshit on a study by an organization who's stated purpose is "to "promote a high performing health care system that achieves better access, improved quality, and greater efficiency, particularly for society's most vulnerable and the elderly." It's headed by a guy who has worked for Dukakis and Obama.

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Originally Posted by Juice

I'm going to call bullshit on a study by an organization who's stated purpose is "to "promote a high performing health care system that achieves better access, improved quality, and greater efficiency, particularly for society's most vulnerable and the elderly." It's headed by a guy who has worked for Dukakis and Obama.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...east-efficient

You cool with Bloomberg? Too biased? World Health Organization has some too.

If you can find me a list that has the US on top in a positive fashion I'll PayPal you $1.

I'm sick of the elitist blue states forcing me to pay for people's lives.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-mos...vernment/2700/

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Originally Posted by Caf

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...east-efficient

You cool with Bloomberg? Too biased? World Health Organization has some too.

If you can find me a list that has the US on top in a positive fashion I'll PayPal you $1.

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The index reflects the first full year of Obamacare. While the U.S. Affordable Care Act expanded access to health insurance and provided payment subsidies starting on Jan. 1, 2014, its impact on life expectancy will take a while to gauge. That’s partly because health care isn’t the only influence on longevity.

“It has to do with how we eat, how we live, poverty and inequality, social support,” said Jon Oberlander, a professor of health policy at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill School of Medicine.

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So their study is partly based on life expectancy and they admit that health care isn't the only factor? So it's actually not a study of health care at all.

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

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The obligations we share as a society are outlined by the Constitution. Yes, I believe every US citizen should have access to all those things you mentioned (they do) however I don't believe we should force people to pay for other people's life indefinitely.

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I'm sorry, but "access" is a meaningless term. And I think you know that. Also, our Constitution is not our only guiding document. The Declaration of Independence, while not a governing document, sets forth the guiding principles of our union.

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Originally Posted by Juice

So their study is partly based on life expectancy and they admit that health care isn't the only factor? So it's actually not a study of health care at all.

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So now we're splitting hairs over studies vs. indexes. Pretty solid argument you got there, huh?