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  1. #471
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    Quote Originally Posted by MHettel View Post
    In my example we filled out spots 1-8. That’s the rotation. It’s 9-13 that will be difficult to fill. I mean we could just get some awful dudes. But the thesis is that we’d get guys to develop into rotation players.

    But my answer is that I would think l our #9 guy would make about the same as a LaSalle starter. But not our #8 guy. Guys in the rotation should get 90% of the money.

    Heck, the 5 starters should get 70%. The 2 rotation guys should split 20%. Scraps from the rest.
    I’m really not against that strategy at all. I think there’s different ways to go about it and be successful. It sure sounds like Pitino is committed to making a culture at Xavier, and that might be the best way to go if we aren’t a top spending school. As drudy points out, we need visionary from everywhere to compete. Outspending people is probably the least likely chance of being successful. At least continued success, I think if they did your strategy- it would hit every few years and others it could be a disaster.

    I’m excited to see the plan play out though. I’m a die hard so I’m always excited but I’m getting the feel there is some new energy for X. I actually expect that to grow as people get to know Richard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xuphan View Post
    Pitino seems to be going after freshman and sophomore transfers. Figure this is him wanting to build young and keep a core group around over multiple years. Really like the strategy as long as he sprinkles in some senior leadership as well.
    Agree. We’re going to love the final roster, if he cannland guys like this and All Wright and a few upperclassmen veterans.

  3. #473
    Quote Originally Posted by Xville View Post
    Yes, 8-9 at most will be in rotation, rest are “developmental” guys. Those could be spots anywhere from 9-13. They don’t know going in they are 8 or they are 13. Nothing is guaranteed. They will be paid, some of those guys will develop and may become key cogs the following year, the 11-13 guys probably
    Move on. You can still fill 12 spots with scholarship players. Teams do it all the time, even teams in our own comference
    If your 7-8 guys are getting paid the same as your 11-13 guys you’re wasting money. And at an apparently NIL strapped school like x you should be spending 90-95% of what you have on an 8 man rotation. Otherwise you’re settling for less at 5-8 to fill out a bench that won’t play anyway. Why do it? I don’t want a cianni and a Deonte miles and a Trey green that burn up 100K plus for zero production when we could have used that towards a better starter.

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    One hour I hear "NIL strapped school" and the next it's a "position of strength" - which is it?

  5. #475
    Quote Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z View Post
    The 15 is just scholarship right? You can have walk ins as well?

    Like this past season the rule was 13 scholarship players and then however many walkons. Is that correct?
    Nope….15 people on the ACTIVE roster. Redshirts don’t count against your active roster. It’s up to the schools how many people scholarships they hand out, but they can’t go over the 15 limit no matter what the mix.

  6. #476
    Quote Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad View Post
    Portal closes in 20 days. Pitino has 20 total days to fill 10 scholarship spots.
    Nope…..players have 20 days left in which to enter the portal. They can then take all the time they want to choose a school, up until classes start next fall. However, if they wait to long they may find that there isn’t a spot for them. That happens every year to some players. All the players in the portal will not find new homes. It’s the chance they take.

  7. #477
    Quote Originally Posted by drudy23 View Post
    One hour I hear "NIL strapped school" and the next it's a "position of strength" - which is it?
    Nobody that knows tells. It could be both at the same time- X certainly has less NIL $$$ than Duke but might have more than UC for example so that is both strapped and position of strength.

  8. #478
    Quote Originally Posted by Xville View Post
    Yes, 8-9 at most will be in rotation, rest are “developmental” guys. Those could be spots anywhere from 9-13. They don’t know going in they are 8 or they are 13. Nothing is guaranteed. They will be paid, some of those guys will develop and may become key cogs the following year, the 11-13 guys probably
    Move on. You can still fill 12 spots with scholarship players. Teams do it all the time, even teams in our own comference
    We almost agreed. Until you said they won’t know if they are #8 or # 13.

    They WILL know. Cause I’m willing to pay #8 100K and I’m willing to pay #13 20K.

    If I have 120k to fill out my last guy in the rotation, the LAST thing I want is 2 guys @60 each.

    This was my issue with last years team. Hugley? Why? He didn’t even fit our style of play. We had the guy lose 50 pounds and he was awful. Fletcher, Anderson and the walk ons all got money….that could have been better used elsewhere. Period.

    How much did we pay Trey Green? He didn’t make it 10 games before he quit. And make no mistake, he quit. He was exhibit A on the idea that you pay a guy to be a developmental piece. But he could even hack it for a year without bailing out. Craft used us for a year. Had a solid year at Miami and will cash in as a trophy portal guy for a decent mid major….or a rotation piece for a high major….right back where he started.

    I would spend the money on the order of what I need. As a result, out last few guys should get the least money and be the least needed. They will know when they see superior guys already signed up and we have little dollars for them.

    I kinda look at it as an MLB Baseball franchise. 95% of the money gets spent on the MLB club. 4% probably goes into AAA. The other 1% is spent on bus rides from Nowhere, Iowa to Nowhere, Wisconsin.

  9. #479
    Quote Originally Posted by drudy23 View Post
    One hour I hear "NIL strapped school" and the next it's a "position of strength" - which is it?
    I have zero inside info but base it on the guys we get and don’t get. Why wouldn’t dent follow his coach? Bc ucla gave him a lot more than X could. The last few offseason we’d be reported to be interested in lots of guys that ended up going to bigger schools for more $$. And we end up grabbing a couple good ones and a couple underwhelming guys and end up on the bubble.

    I realize it’s not ALL about the Nil amount but it’s a big part of it and where all the top guys land is telling.

  10. #480
    Quote Originally Posted by XUGRAD80 View Post
    Nope…..players have 20 days left in which to enter the portal. They can then take all the time they want to choose a school, up until classes start next fall. However, if they wait to long they may find that there isn’t a spot for them. That happens every year to some players. All the players in the portal will not find new homes. It’s the chance they take.
    Yeah not all of the players will find a home. But this year is different. All traditional seniors have moved on AND all of the Covid guys as well. More guys leaving this year than normal. Those roster spots have to get filled. It’s either gonna be with marginal freshmen that would otherwise be in D2 or the typical portal guys that might be left without a chair when the music stops.

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