Brackets and Rankings: 2024-2025

[GoMuskies]

If you lose one (and it's Creighton or @ Butler and not a terrible loss), you'll still have a shot to redeem yourself in MSG against one (hopefully two or three!) of Marquette, St. John's, Creighton or UConn. It will just be very difficult to beat any of those at a neutral site, of course.

[xukeith]

I don't think X can get invited if Xavier has only 1 quad win.

[Xville]

I don't think X can get invited if Xavier has only 1 quad win.

Agreed. I think even if X wins out in the regular season, they are going to need a bit of help. Either Creighton and/or UCONN need to move to a Q1...then I'd feel safe knowing that if X won out, they'd be in.

[paulxu]

I'm so old I remember when we made the tournament because of our record...not someone else's.

[bjf123]

I'm so old I remember when we made the tournament because of our record...not someone else's.

Good times.


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[MHettel]

I think we need to step back and look at the Quad system with a wider lens.

Of course having the most amount of Q1 wins is great. And it could get you into the tournament. But can’t Q3 & Q4 losses keep you OUT of the tournament? Can’t good wins be negated by bad losses?

Is there “value” in avoiding bad losses? Is the “value”” in having a very strong record against Q2? I’m going to assume that the committee looks at the overall profile of wins and losses relative to the Q system. I know that someone will say that there has never been a team get in with just 1 Q1 win. And also there was never a 16 seed that beat a 1 seed….until it happened…twice.

Of course getting another Q1 win will help. But we may not get the chance. I’m not sure that it’s gonna matter. Take care of business and dominate the games that are “must not lose”. Home against CU and @ Butler are huge and taking both is probably enough to get us in and dropping 1 puts us in need of some MSG magic.

But let’s get off the ledge on the Q1 wins. That’s not the only thing that matters. We still have chances to succeed at other things that matter.

Now beat the shit out of DePaul

[Xville]

I think we need to step back and look at the Quad system with a wider lens.

Of course having the most amount of Q1 wins is great. And it could get you into the tournament. But can’t Q3 & Q4 losses keep you OUT of the tournament? Can’t good wins be negated by bad losses?

Is there “value” in avoiding bad losses? Is the “value”” in having a very strong record against Q2? I’m going to assume that the committee looks at the overall profile of wins and losses relative to the Q system. I know that someone will say that there has never been a team get in with just 1 Q1 win. And also there was never a 16 seed that beat a 1 seed….until it happened…twice.

Of course getting another Q1 win will help. But we may not get the chance. I’m not sure that it’s gonna matter. Take care of business and dominate the games that are “must not lose”. Home against CU and @ Butler are huge and taking both is probably enough to get us in and dropping 1 puts us in need of some MSG magic.

But let’s get off the ledge on the Q1 wins. That’s not the only thing that matters. We still have chances to succeed at other things that matter.

Now beat the shit out of DePaul

What you say is true, I’d just feel a lot better about 1 or 2 q1 wins because x is going to be evaluated against teams that have more. Of course those same teams could have a bad loss or two where Xavier if they win out wouldn’t. I would just rather have no black marks against the resume and 1 q1 win would be.

[XUGRAD80]

If St. John’s is ranked as the 16th best team, and they are the only BE school ranked in the top 16, X is going to need to win the BE championship in order to get in…..but there’s still a lot of season to go, so who knows how that’s going to change?

[Xville]

If St. John’s is ranked as the 16th best team, and they are the only BE school ranked in the top 16, X is going to need to win the BE championship in order to get in…..but there’s still a lot of season to go, so who knows how that’s going to change?

I dunno if that really correlates. Honestly I was surprised they were even in the top 16. Their resume is pretty meh compared to the teams up there. It’s very similar to x’s in terms of the teams they have beaten

[MHettel]

I did t do any research to support what I feel is occurring, but it seems to me that the NIL/Portal impact is now being seen in the bubble.

For the last 3-4 seasons, we’ve seen the “big” programs basically strip mine the mid major all-conference players. We’re seeing far fewer bubble teams out side of the big boys. The SEC is considered to have 9 locks and 4 other teams on the bubble. That’s 13 of 16 teams that are in the hunt. Some of these teams need to finish strong just to get to .500.

This is possible due to the SEC dominating the OOC schedule. Winning OOC games is by far the biggest factor in the perception of conference strength. Who you played matters, but not as much as winnning.

Another huge factor, which I’ve mentioned a zillion times is not having too many conference games. Every conference game results in a win and a loss for a common opponent. Why dilute your SOS like that. SEC plays 18 games and the BE plays 20. Mathematically, we’re at a disadvantage.

Back to the point, I think we’ll see SEC teams dancing with under .500 records. Maybe the B10 as well. While a team like XU could be on the outside with a 12-8 record.

Are the SEC teams good. Absolutely. Bought and paid for good. Should they get 75% of their conference in the dance? No way. 10 of 16? Ok, but that’s it.

The BE needs to figure it out. We play a pretty tough non-con and then beat the crap out of each other for 20 games. Last year was 3 bids out of 11. (27%). This year is probably 4 (36%) or 5 (45 %). That’s pathetic. The answer is right in front of us.