NCAA Being Sued Over Eligibility Limits

[JTG]

This is the whole legal problem in a nutshell. If someone can come up with a legal argument as to why eligibility can remain, then I'll start to feel a lot better about it....

QUESTION: So NCAA, if eligibility rules did not exist, would any member schools hire athletes that were not students, or hire athletes who had played for more than four years??




ANSWER: Well, Yes. Of course they would.

QUESTION: Did the players agree to this rule or play any sort of role in the making of this rule??

ANSWER: No



Then the eligibility rules are in violation of antitrust law and they gotta go. Schools have the right to do as they like.

Where in the world or what do you do for a living that you believe any of what you

laid out makes sense? Are you a labor organizer? Millions and millions of people
go to work every day without representation. They get paid and work for companies that abide by rules. For example insurance companies administer workers compensation benefits for injured employees. Any insurance ompany that provides this coverage pays a pre determined amount for time off. Whether the person injured is a doctor or a janitor. The greeter at Walmart
doesn't get to have a % of the Waltons fortune. This whole argument reeks of Socialism. And as much as I loathe government intervention it's time for
Congress to enact anti trust exemptions to the colleges and fix this mess. It's
beyond me why people think this no rules, players are entitled to unlimited
compensation and freedom even though they agreed to a signed legal
document is ok.

[xubrew]

Millions and millions of people
go to work every day without representation.

Yes, but here is the difference. None of those millions and millions of people work at a place where their employers are prohibited from paying them more if they choose to because of an agreement they've made with competing companies on what the maximum salaries can be. There is no agreed upon maximum wage amongst the different companies and/or businesses. That’s what would reek of socialism. That would also be illegal. That's what the NCAA had been doing, and that's why the courts have been killing them.

And just to be clear, I'm not siding AGAINST the NCAA!! I liked it better before. I'm actually frustrated that the NCAA and it's member institutions is basically ignoring every warning sign that they're about to get clobbered again. I'm also frustrated because I strongly feel that there are things they could have done that wouldn't have resulted in them losing as much control as they did, but they did nothing. And, they're still doing nothing. I mean...it really is amazing to me how they could lose huge with their amateurism rules, then lose huge again with their transfer rules, and now be heading back to court again with issues that deal with their eligibility, and STILL not get it!! Whether you love them or hate them, and whether you agree or disagree with how the courts have ruled, how could any sane person actually expect this to end any differently than the previous cases did??

[XUGRAD80]

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Finally a sensible decsion……whomever thought that compensation should be tied to the Title IX legislation was not thinking straight IMO. I think that most supporters of women’s sports (of which I am one) understand the realities of the economics and didn’t support it either.

[Xville]

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Finally a sensible decsion……whomever thought that compensation should be tied to the Title IX legislation was not thinking straight IMO. I think that most supporters of women’s sports (of which I am one) understand the realities of the economics and didn’t support it either.

I agree with you but unfortunately I can see this going to the courts and I’m no lawyer but I don’t think I see it ending the way we want it to

[XUGRAD80]

I agree with you but unfortunately I can see this going to the courts and I’m no lawyer but I don’t think I see it ending the way we want it to

All of what has been, and will be, discussed by us fans will someday find its way into court. That’s what people do now, they take things they don’t agree with to court. Even if they know that they really don’t have a good case, they will take it to court. It’s part of the negotiations anymore. There’s always a judge that will issue a temporary order to pause any decision made by any group until they can look at it further. The key thing to remember here is that this is only a statement of how the department of education thinks a law should be applied. It is not an actual law in itself. The DOE can make policy, but it can’t make laws. Unfortunately our congress members are so weak and dysfunctional right now that they won’t touch a subject like this for fear of pissing off some of their supporters. They will let the judges do it in order to protect their own political careers.

But enough grumbling about politics except to say that ain’t it a shame that politics has to be a part of sports today?

[xubrew]

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Finally a sensible decsion……whomever thought that compensation should be tied to the Title IX legislation was not thinking straight IMO. I think that most supporters of women’s sports (of which I am one) understand the realities of the economics and didn’t support it either.

I think this was something that not many people really knew what to make of in the first place. Basically, it said universities might be in violation of federal discrimination laws (I don't think it even mentioned Title IX specifically) if they did not provide equal NIL opportunities. Everyone just sort of looked at each other and thought..."well, the majority of NIL opportunities aren't technically coming directly from the school. So....???"

But, to your point, it's good that it was rescinded, if for no other reason than no one really knew what to make of it in the first place.

[XUGRAD80]

I think this was something that not many people really knew what to make of in the first place. Basically, it said universities might be in violation of federal discrimination laws (I don't think it even mentioned Title IX specifically) if they did not provide equal NIL opportunities. Everyone just sort of looked at each other and thought..."well, the majority of NIL opportunities aren't technically coming directly from the school. So....???"

But, to your point, it's good that it was rescinded, if for no other reason than no one really knew what to make of it in the first place.

It actually dealt directly, and only, with the proposed school payments and their title IX implications. It did hint that payments from outside sources MIGHT also be taken into consideration when discussing Title IX adherence, but didn’t say that for sure. That 1st ruling came as a complete shock to virtually everyone, especially in light of what the original court approved plan had been. The schools had asked for DOE direction, but they certainly never expected the direction they got. That lead to everyone scrambling to come up with new plans on how the money would be allocated. The redirection allows them to go back to the plans they had already made.

[xubrew]

It actually dealt directly, and only, with the proposed school payments and their title IX implications. It did hint that payments from outside sources MIGHT also be taken into consideration when discussing Title IX adherence, but didn’t say that for sure. That 1st ruling came as a complete shock to virtually everyone, especially in light of what the original court approved plan had been. The schools had asked for DOE direction, but they certainly never expected the direction they got. That lead to everyone scrambling to come up with new plans on how the money would be allocated. The redirection allows them to go back to the plans they had already made.

Okay, I guess that makes sense. Or, it makes sense how it didn't make sense and was rescinded for not making sense. Or...whatever. Whatever it said there's no real reason to worry too much about it now.