Politics Thread

[GoMuskies]

That's about as overwhelming as elections get these days. And in the electoral college, where elections are ACTUALLY decided, it was a landslide.

[94GRAD]

No. Biden's preemptive pardons (which I may not agree with) were to protect people from being accused from crimes by a vindictive Trump DOJ.
No crimes alleged, no indictments brought, no criminal conduct.
Trump's pardons let people who violently assaulted cops, bragged about it, were convicted and sentence back on the street ...supported by people who proclaim to be behind our police.
See the hypocrisy there?

The department of corrections is busily notifying police officers who testified for the government against their attackers, that their attackers are soon to be back on the street. I just know that makes some of you so proud.

But if they didn't do anything wrong, why would they have to worry? The optics are bad for the preemptive pardons.

[paulxu]

That's about as overwhelming as elections get these days. And in the electoral college, where elections are ACTUALLY decided, it was a landslide.

Good point, and at least he won the popular vote this time. Unusual for Republicans. The electoral college results are from outsized vote importance of small population states with 2 senator votes.

[paulxu]

But if they didn't do anything wrong, why would they have to worry? The optics are bad for the preemptive pardons.

True. That's why I have a problem with them. I'm guessing he was worried because of the ridiculous, years long nonsense about his son and the efforts to impeach him on the words of a paid Russian informant.

[Smails]

No. Biden's preemptive pardons (which I may not agree with) were to protect people from being accused from crimes by a vindictive Trump DOJ.

So are you saying that a President and party can weaponize the DOJ to go after their political opponents?

[Strange Brew]

Good point, and at least he won the popular vote this time. Unusual for Republicans. The electoral college results are from outsized vote importance of small population states with 2 senator votes.

I agree Paul. states like VT, RI, NH and DE are way too important. :)

[bjf123]

I disagree with Trump pardoning ALL of the J6 defendants. Those who truly assaulted police, or destroyed public property, should not have been pardoned. However, I think there are a lot of them convicted for nothing more than being in the wrong place at the wrong time, with many, maybe most, being kept locked up for political points while awaiting trial while plenty of violent, repeat offenders, walk free thanks to liberal prosecutors.

Now that Biden has preemptively pardoned his family, Congress needs to investigate the money trail that reportedly flowed to them. Since they’re pardoned, they can’t claim a fifth amendment right to refuse to answer questions since they can’t be charged with a crime.


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[94GRAD]

I disagree with Trump pardoning ALL of the J6 defendants. Those who truly assaulted police, or destroyed public property, should not have been pardoned. However, I think there are a lot of them convicted for nothing more than being in the wrong place at the wrong time, with many, maybe most, being kept locked up for political points while awaiting trial while plenty of violent, repeat offenders, walk free thanks to liberal prosecutors.

Now that Biden has preemptively pardoned his family, Congress needs to investigate the money trail that reportedly flowed to them. Since they’re pardoned, they can’t claim a fifth amendment right to refuse to answer questions since they can’t be charged with a crime.

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But why would they tell the truth when there is no penalty for lying under oath?

[GoMuskies]

But why would they tell the truth when there is no penalty for lying under oath?

The pardon wouldn't apply to perjury. They haven't been pardoned prospectively.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Not sure why this is a surprise to anyone. He pretty much ran saying he'd pardon these J6 protestors and won the popular vote so I guess it didn't bother half the country. Now Biden said he wouldn't pardon anyone but did. See the hyprocrisy here.

This is gaslighting. Both did the wrong, but only one is wrong because he didn't say he was going to do the wrong thing.