Politics Thread

[XU_Lou]

This is why it's useless. You'll find a reason to ignore the facts, and attack the messenger.
I noted infant mortality is much larger here as an example.
Here's another source on the subject. Does it somehow make the statistics magically correct, that people spent decades studying and gathering data?

https://www.foxnews.com/health/us-ra...fant-mortality

No worries; I'll bow out. Metrics clearly show the US health system costs more and delivers less than single payer/universal coverage plans in most of the developed world.
To refuse to understand that and try for improvement, will only help those who take profit out of providing health care.
The other countries decided it's not a service where profit should be made; rather a social service like the police or fire.
I suppose it would be nice to say all our money (roughly twice as much) delivered better care for EVERYONE. But that's not the case.
We seem to be the only country where anyone is burdened with "medical" debt. Not something to be proud of.

PS: what about the crime statistics several people have pointed out to you on several occasions?

You remember that discussion we had about population, and the gov't population stats I showed you, and yet you continued to argue I was wrong?

You're right, it's a total waste of time discussing facts with you.

[paulxu]

Paul, I read the article and so should you. Our Pre-term mortality rates are very good. The reason for the higher full-term mortality rate was listed as unknown and the article speculated on causes that do not have to do with “healthcare”.

And it’s one metric. And your article doesn’t really prove what you think it does.

I pulled that Fox article to show that the same metric exists in multiple places, not just on what you might perceive as a "liberal" site.
We're skirting the issue. It was comparing our health system deliveries, measured over decades across a wide list of data points, against single payer/universal systems in other developed nations. Don't focus on just one point, look at our performance in all of them.
We have come up short for a long time, and are paying far more for that.

[Muskie in dayton]

I pulled that Fox article to show that the same metric exists in multiple places, not just on what you might perceive as a "liberal" site.
We're skirting the issue. It was comparing our health system deliveries, measured over decades across a wide list of data points, against single payer/universal systems in other developed nations. Don't focus on just one point, look at our performance in all of them.
We have come up short for a long time, and are paying far more for that.

The more the Government has involved itself in healthcare over the years, the faster costs have gone up and the faster the quality has gone down. I wonder how we can fix that?

[Xuperman]

Let's review....with a few comments to directly address your original question about Republicans. All 7 of your concerns are in dire need of reform because neither party has taken effective actions to improve them. HOWEVER, This Trump Administration is heavy on SOLUTIONS and appears highly motivated to change that.

[QUOTE=Xville;794684[
1. Healthcare---cost, availability, etc- The R's did give us HSA programs. Appeal Obamacare....it is severely flawed.
2. Veterans- Both Parties have done some things positive. Not enough. Trump will focus on Vet unemployment/housing.
3. Mental Health Services- They have done nothing. I know of no proposed solutions.
4. Road and Building Infrastructure- The R's history here changed the world. TR built the Panama Canal. Eisenhower built our Interstate HWY system.
5. Homelessness/Affordable Housing- It can be argued that Trump had the most secure borders in decades. O'Biden policy creates more of #5.
6. Government Spending- Bush started it and Obama continued the Middle East wars at an astronomical cost + Covid. Trump has DOGE.
7. Education---falling behind in about every single metric vs the rest of the world yet costs keep going up- Dems own this disaster for reasons that deserve a separate thread! R's want to eliminate all Federal involvement. There will be movement on this or this Country remains on suicide watch.
[/QUOTE]

This is obviously an important list. HOWEVER....you conveniently posted issues that are long lived ongoing problems that can be argued as both sides are culpable. NOT my list!! ALL if these "problems" are a direct result or related causation, due to Obama's "Fundamentally Transform America" doctrine.

1a. Diversity, Equity, Inclusion (DEI). The "EQUITY" component is Marxist. It has to be purged.
1. "Woke" creates a "grievance based society". Trans rights has become the issue at hand.

2a. "Defund the Police". Progressive ideology that seeks to reduce and restrict Law Enforcement capabilities. To " Demonize" Police among minorities.
2b. Criminal Justice Reform. Reduced prosecutions, sentencing guideline and bail norms. Designed to soften or reduce minority incarceration.

3. Biden's Open Southern Border. This massive illegal migration makes required vetting protocol impossible. Serious implications are inevitable.

4. Iran Policy. Reversal of Trump sanctions and financial restrictions. Proxies emboldened. Nuclear program unchecked.

5. The BIG ONE. Active and intentional Progressive narrative, propaganda and indoctrination that creates the reality of America as systematically racist.

Questions to be answered.

Is this not where we are presently? Is this not 100% Democrat policy? Can you point to ANY REPUBLICAN SUPPORT of these issues?

I will hang up and wait for your response.

[XU_Lou]

As Newsome gaslights on rebuilding LA: "Goodbye, red tape. Through an executive order, we are making it easier for victims of the SoCal fires to quickly rebuild their homes and lives."


be aware:


"How do people rebuild without bank financing? You can’t get financing if the property is uninsurable. But, you know that already, Gavin.

How do people recover when there is no coverage for loss replacement? They can’t erase the mortgage already being held - so they still owe that $$. You know that too.

The state will offer pennies on the dollar, and people will be bankrupted. Some of those people will never be able to own a home again.

That’s why permits were filed to change the zoning so multi-family units can be build where previously it was single-family. Right?

Lying to desperate people is despicable."



Do any of you still monitor what's still going on in WNC?



Make no mistake, Democrat policies on local, state and Fed levels have acted as force multipliers in HI, WNC, NOLA and LA.

[Xville]

Let's review....with a few comments to directly address your original question about Republicans. All 7 of your concerns are in dire need of reform because neither party has taken effective actions to improve them. HOWEVER, This Trump Administration is heavy on SOLUTIONS and appears highly motivated to change that.



This is obviously an important list. HOWEVER....you conveniently posted issues that are long lived ongoing problems that can be argued as both sides are culpable. NOT my list!! ALL if these "problems" are a direct result or related causation, due to Obama's "Fundamentally Transform America" doctrine.

1a. Diversity, Equity, Inclusion (DEI). The "EQUITY" component is Marxist. It has to be purged.
1. "Woke" creates a "grievance based society". Trans rights has become the issue at hand.

2a. "Defund the Police". Progressive ideology that seeks to reduce and restrict Law Enforcement capabilities. To " Demonize" Police among minorities.
2b. Criminal Justice Reform. Reduced prosecutions, sentencing guideline and bail norms. Designed to soften or reduce minority incarceration.

3. Biden's Open Southern Border. This massive illegal migration makes required vetting protocol impossible. Serious implications are inevitable.

4. Iran Policy. Reversal of Trump sanctions and financial restrictions. Proxies emboldened. Nuclear program unchecked.

5. The BIG ONE. Active and intentional Progressive narrative, propaganda and indoctrination that creates the reality of America as systematically racist.

Questions to be answered.

Is this not where we are presently? Is this not 100% Democrat policy? Can you point to ANY REPUBLICAN SUPPORT of these issues?

I will hang up and wait for your response.

1.) As far as DEI I agree with you on the E part...the other two are great for business and really in any facet of life. I don't really care about trans rights other than i don't think they should be in womens sports.

2.) I struggle with police. It needs reform, a lot of reform quite frankly. A lot of them do some really shit work. I don't think defunding is the answer, but something needs to change in this profession and quickly. More training, better pay, psychological and mental testing.

3.) While Biden has not improved the border in any way shape or form, this is one of the things that has been a problem for decades upon decades that neither side has fixed. The bipartisan bill that was introduced was imo a step in the right direction. Not a perfect bill by any means, but it was a way forward. Trump killed it only because he didn't want to give the dems a win, its the worst kind of politics at work.

4.) Iran policy---one of if not the biggest failure of the Biden presidency imo. If we are talking baout foreign relations as a whole, I do tend to side with the Republicans view on things, but its really a case by case basis. As far as the entire Middle East, I'd personally be for turning that region into a parking lot.

5.) TBH, I think this is overblown.

A lot of this is Democrat or at least one side of the democrats' policy, I concur but outside of Foreign Relations, and the border (which both parties have fucked up for about 50 years now) these things are pretty low on my list.

Biggest issues for me are the economy, healthcare (because i work in the field and see the corruption on a daily basis) and foreign relations, and I do tend to side with republicans on 2 of the 3 and that's why i do tend to vote Republican. However, I again think a lot of our issues are because both sides just continue to kick cans down the road and never work together to solve anything. When they do try to work together, the fringes of both parties speak loudly and are able to impede progress. It's the biggest problem in politics today.

[GoMuskies]

The WSJ did an analysis on swing voters for Kennedy's nomination for HHS. It's pretty wild that there's a chance up to 9 Republicans (including Lindsay Graham and Mitch McConnell could vote against Kennedy) could vote against Kennedy....but he could conceivably get the votes of Bernie Sanders and Cory Booker. Wild times.

[paulxu]

It's wild he's even a nominee...as 15,000 doctors pointed out to Congress.
And now Public Health officials join in:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...irming-rfk-jr/

[GoMuskies]

Confirmation season is officially here with the beginning of the Hegseth confirmation hearing this morning.

The crazies are out early trying to interrupt the hearing. I can almost hear the purple hair on the people yelling. LOL

They're going to have the clear the gallery because of these morons, I suspect.

[xuwillie]

It's wild he's even a nominee...as 15,000 doctors pointed out to Congress.
And now Public Health officials join in:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...irming-rfk-jr/

I'd take that he's probably a good pick then