Politics Thread

[Xville]

If I recall correctly, I think my daughter punched me in 2020 when I told her I wrote in Yang and didn't vote for Trump.

Oddly, women and minorities aren't a monolith. And most don't really think he was a sexual assaulter and think the felonies he was convicted of were lawfare bullshit.

Also, it was the Democrats' job to field a viable alternative to the alleged sexual assaulter and convicted felon. Biden was pretty mediocre back in 2020, but he would do. However, YOU ignored the evidence your eyes must have clearly been reporting to you about Biden's fitness for another term. Even after that trainwreck detate you were still claiming it was because of a stutter or some other nonsense. I mean, if we're truly to take the notiion that Trump is dangerous seriously, how could anyone think it was a good idea to put the doddering old man in Chief up as the Dem nominee? And then panic and replace him (without a vote) with a cackling empty suit who was an incredibly unpopular Vice President whose 2020 Presidential campaign was a complete disaster.

I'm sure you're going to continue smugly discredit the majority of Americans who decided that Trump was the better option for America. I doubt you'll do any self-reflection on the absolute shit show that is the Democratic Party and the fact that you spout their absurd talking points on here day after day after day.

Our country absolutely deserves better. But we were offered up two terrible choices, and we had to pick one of them. I'm disappointed that Republicans chose Trump to be their nominee over DeSantis and Haley, who I think would be much better Presidents. i'm disappointed that Democrats didn't even offer their party members the dignity of a choice as to who their nominee would be. So here we are. People voted for the alleged sexual abuser and convicted felon over the shit sandwich. Next time please provide a better alternative.

very very well said. Public Reps

[xubrew]

When I wonder why people can vote for a sexual assaulter/convicted felon...I don't get a reasonable answer to that question.
I get something along the lines of the left is thumbing their noses at the right. To me, that's pretty telling; you can't defend that stance.
His own generals called him a fascist and his own VP said he's unfit? I don't get reasonable responses to those criticisms. Just nonsense about Harris being a communist.

Did you ever think that your daughter may tell you she voted for Trump to keep you happy...and really didn't?
Can you imagine your daughter being happy to have him come into her dressing room while she was naked...and brag about it?
Can you imagine her being proud of someone who bragged about grabbing women by the pussy?

If I'm on an island with these positions, so be it.

For what it's worth, I think Trump won because he convinced people the economy was bad; despite record growth, stock market highs, energy production at an all time high, unemployment low, inflation tamed. He was politically effective in convincing people it was bad despite evidence to the contrary, and overlooking the last administration had to pull us out of the pandemic recession. Smart politics to pull that off.

You may not get what you think is a REASONABLE answer (and that's fine), but I think you DO get the answer! Generally speaking, I think most (not all, but MOST) who voted for Trump voted for him for the reasons they're giving you. That's it. If it was for any other reason, they'd tell you what that reason was.

So here is a tip for the Democrats...LISTEN TO THEM!! When they say why they voted the way they did, BELIEVE THEM!!! Don't come up with some other reason, and then base your next strategy off of whatever reasons that you made up.

[GoMuskies]

No, 'brew, it was racist, sexist, xenophobic, transphobia. With a dash of lower taxes.

[Smails]

You may not get what you think is a REASONABLE answer (and that's fine), but I think you DO get the answer! Generally speaking, I think most (not all, but MOST) who voted for Trump voted for him for the reasons they're giving you. That's it. If it was for any other reason, they'd tell you what that reason was.

So here is a tip for the Democrats...LISTEN TO THEM!! When they say why they voted the way they did, BELIEVE THEM!!! Don't come up with some other reason, and then base your next strategy off of whatever reasons that you made up.

This is perfect.

Paul, have you ever considered that your definition of a reasonable answer is one that aligns with your world view? Maybe that's the reason you can't seem to find one. "Beats the alternative" is a perfectly reasonable answer to why Trump won in a landslide.

If the Dems don't start to look inward after last night's debacle, they're going to be in big trouble for a long time. They rammed an awful VP and an awful candidate on to the ticket and are paying the price dearly. The fact that you and the other Dems can't seem to grasp that Trump is very much a product they created is a real head scratcher to me.

[paulxu]

So here is a tip for the Democrats...LISTEN TO THEM!! When they say why they voted the way they did, BELIEVE THEM!!! Don't come up with some other reason, and then base your next strategy off of whatever reasons that you made up.

So, what were their reasons?
Harris is a cackling empty suit? A VP who has been a prosecutor, a senator and 4 years as a VP traveling the world for our country?
Harris is a communist? Really, that's a reason?
What reasonable answer was ever offered.

The criticisms of Trump didn't come from Democrats. They came from Republicans who had served with him and knew him best.
And that's not something Dems should listen to?
You didn't have senior administration officials or anything like a former VP saying Harris was unfit for office.

I think your analysis is often on point Brew. But can't agree with it this time.
Trump played a great game of getting people to believe our country was in the dump. I don't think so, but enough people did.
Smart politics.

[GoMuskies]

Harris is a cackling empty suit? A VP who has been a prosecutor, a senator and 4 years as a VP traveling the world for our country?

Yes. You named some jobs she held. That doesn't mean she was good at them. Trump was a President and the longtime head of a major corporation.

[Xville]

So, what were their reasons?
Harris is a cackling empty suit? A VP who has been a prosecutor, a senator and 4 years as a VP traveling the world for our country?
Harris is a communist? Really, that's a reason?
What reasonable answer was ever offered.

The criticisms of Trump didn't come from Democrats. They came from Republicans who had served with him and knew him best.
And that's not something Dems should listen to?
You didn't have senior administration officials or anything like a former VP saying Harris was unfit for office.

I think your analysis is often on point Brew. But can't agree with it this time.
Trump played a great game of getting people to believe our country was in the dump. I don't think so, but enough people did.
Smart politics.

Reasons: She's a communist. Yep that's correct. Look at her positions and her voting record before she became VP, Paul. It's public information.

"Travelling the world for our country." ----what does this even mean? She's had jobs. That's nice. Travis Steele has had jobs too, doesn't mean he's good at them.

Dems lied for 4 years. Paul, not just about Trump (I don't care about that) but about our country. And, you continue to parrot the nonsense today.

Biden's Chief of Staff said inflation wasn't real. They said crime was down. They said the border wasn't an issue.

If you want a reasonable answer? It's because he is better than the alternative. Not sure if you have noticed, but that's how moderates have voted for a long time now.

[XU_Lou]

So, a guy like Trump that hits back as hard as he does is going to make them feel good. That's it. It's really that simple. If you want to know why so many people vote for Trump, that's why.

Jesus Christ, Brew, this sounds like an analysis that a third grader would come up with if they only watched The View. You continue to prove Ackman’s points.

[XU_Lou]

When I wonder why people can vote for a sexual assaulter/convicted felon...I don't get a reasonable answer to that question.
I get something along the lines of the left is thumbing their noses at the right. To me, that's pretty telling; you can't defend that stance.
His own generals called him a fascist and his own VP said he's unfit? I don't get reasonable responses to those criticisms. Just nonsense about Harris being a communist.

Did you ever think that your daughter may tell you she voted for Trump to keep you happy...and really didn't?
Can you imagine your daughter being happy to have him come into her dressing room while she was naked...and brag about it?
Can you imagine her being proud of someone who bragged about grabbing women by the pussy?

If I'm on an island with these positions, so be it.

For what it's worth, I think Trump won because he convinced people the economy was bad; despite record growth, stock market highs, energy production at an all time high, unemployment low, inflation tamed. He was politically effective in convincing people it was bad despite evidence to the contrary, and overlooking the last administration had to pull us out of the pandemic recession. Smart politics to pull that off.

[xubrew]

Jesus Christ, Brew, this sounds like an analysis that a third grader would come up with if they only watched The View. You continue to prove Ackman’s points.

And this actually proves my point. The reasons are simple enough for a 3rd grader to understand. sometimes the reasons are actually very simplistic.

I mean, lets take you as an example. All you've wanted to do today is beat up on Paul and the other Libs. You've offered up nothing else other than that.