Politics Thread

[xubrew]

The dog-eaters must be stopped!!! I am a single issue voter, and that is my issue!!!

[paulxu]

I'm fascinated that he keeps repeating over and over and over again, things that have been proven false.

He did not win the 2020 election, but that big lie lives on.
Tariffs are paid by the consumer, not China...but he keeps repeating that, despite being shown it's not correct.

Do you suppose his followers believe that stuff because he keeps saying it? Very strange.

[xubrew]

I'm fascinated that he keeps repeating over and over and over again, things that have been proven false.

He did not win the 2020 election, but that big lie lives on.
Tariffs are paid by the consumer, not China...but he keeps repeating that, despite being shown it's not correct.

Do you suppose his followers believe that stuff because he keeps saying it? Very strange.

Yes. And it's actually not strange at all. The easiest people to lie to are the ones that want to believe the lie. And, it's very easy for someone to lie to themselves. I think almost all human beings do this to some extent. "I don't need to eat better and exercise! I'm totally fine!" or in a much less consequential arena "My team should have won but got totally screwed!!" But, Trump takes it to an absurd level. And, a lot of people actually DO believe it!

When a lie is more palatable than the truth, a lot of people will take the lie and run with it if it is at all plausible (and sometimes even if it isn't). If you ever look for it you'll see examples of it all the time. I think that's actually a somewhat unfortunate part of the human condition.

[bobbiemcgee]

You've been talking about replacing the ACA for 10 years, and when asked about your plan to do that, your answer is:
"I have concepts of a plan"
I'm not confident you even understand what policy means.

2 weeks...2 weeks..the healthcare plan coming in 2 weeks (for 10 years)

[Xville]

I'm fascinated that he keeps repeating over and over and over again, things that have been proven false.

He did not win the 2020 election, but that big lie lives on.
Tariffs are paid by the consumer, not China...but he keeps repeating that, despite being shown it's not correct.

Do you suppose his followers believe that stuff because he keeps saying it? Very strange.

Sure, and Kamala does the exact same. Politicians lie, and partisan people believe them.

[GoMuskies]

In both debates, Trump talked about how every legal scholar, every Republican, every Democrat wanted abortion to go back to the states for voters to decide. Let's put aside for a moment the fact that statement is demonstrably false. Let's pretend it's true. His next statement is that abortion has been tearing this country apart, and he did the impossible by making it happen for the issue to be returned to the states.

Now, if you assume #1 is true (which it's not), how is it an accomplishment to overturn Roe v. Wade and get the decision on restrictions on abortion back to the state level? If EVERY legal scholar, EVERY Democrat and EVERY Republican wanted Roe v. Wade overturned, it would have been super simple to do, and it would have been overturned much earlier.

Kamala obviously pushed back on abortion, but I'm kind of surprised that neither she nor Biden really reacted to the notion that EVERY legal scholar and EVERY Democrat wanted that, because it's just such a demonstrably nonsense statement.

[STL_XUfan]

In both debates, Trump talked about how every legal scholar, every Republican, every Democrat wanted abortion to go back to the states for voters to decide. Let's put aside for a moment the fact that statement is demonstrably false. Let's pretend it's true. His next statement is that abortion has been tearing this country apart, and he did the impossible by making it happen for the issue to be returned to the states.

Now, if you assume #1 is true (which it's not), how is it an accomplishment to overturn Roe v. Wade and get the decision on restrictions on abortion back to the state level? If EVERY legal scholar, EVERY Democrat and EVERY Republican wanted Roe v. Wade overturned, it would have been super simple to do, and it would have been overturned much earlier.

Kamala obviously pushed back on abortion, but I'm kind of surprised that neither she nor Biden really reacted to the notion that EVERY legal scholar and EVERY Democrat wanted that, because it's just such a demonstrably nonsense statement.

Polling wise, it is her strongest issue. Why get into a fight about how many experts wanted it or that Trump lies, all it does is waste the limited time you have to discuss one of your strongest issues. Focus on that issue while people are listening.

This happened to Trump last night. During the immigration portion, which is Trump's strongest polling area, Harris went off topic to say people were leaving Trump rallies early. Instead of using his time to talk about his strongest issue, he went on a rant about how great his rallies are. Essentially wasting an opportunity to talk about his strongest argument to replace it with 45 seconds of him talking about his weakest argument (his own undisciplined ego).

[Xuperman]

Really? How about zero gun control, deporting 11 million immigrants, and racial supremacism just off the top of my head. There is plenty of nuttiness on both fringes

You call those examples of "Radical" ideology on the far Right?

What is ZERO GUN CONTROL and which politicians are advocating for it? We have plenty of gun laws on the books. Are you saying there are Republicans that want to eliminate them all?

You call wanting to deport people here illegally radical? Yes, it is kinda crazy to think deportation on that scale could ever be accomplished. However, rounding up as many gang members/criminals/terrorists as possible for deportation is the opposite of "radical".

What is racial supremacism? If you're talking about wacko leftists calling white Republicans racist.... it happens all the time. That proves nothing. In fact, the Republican party pretty much stands for a MERIT based America regardless of who you are. It's the Dems that have recently gone all-in with identity politics and CRT ideology.

So again, other than some on the religious right wanting to ban abortion or put the 10 Commandments in schools....not understanding what this " radical" far right narrative is based on.

Now there is obviously a laundry list of truly radical policies/ideology on the far Left....and most of it is MAINSTREAM Democrat Party. I could easily elaborate on request.

[Xville]

You call those examples of "Radical" ideology on the far Right?

What is ZERO GUN CONTROL and which politicians are advocating for it? We have plenty of gun laws on the books. Are you saying there are Republicans that want to eliminate them all?

You call wanting to deport people here illegally radical? Yes, it is kinda crazy to think deportation on that scale could ever be accomplished. However, rounding up as many gang members/criminals/terrorists as possible for deportation is the opposite of "radical".

What is racial supremacism? If you're talking about wacko leftists calling white Republicans racist.... it happens all the time. That proves nothing. In fact, the Republican party pretty much stands for a MERIT based America regardless of who you are. It's the Dems that have recently gone all-in with identity politics and CRT ideology.

So again, other than some on the religious right wanting to ban abortion or put the 10 Commandments in schools....not understanding what this " radical" far right narrative is based on.

Now there is obviously a laundry list of truly radical policies/ideology on the far Left....and most of it is MAINSTREAM Democrat Party. I could easily elaborate on request.

You can google far right policies just like anyone else. I know you have a hard on for far left, while completely ignoring anything on the fringe right but try

[paulxu]

A little bit of humor: