Politics Thread

[Xuperman]

what about twinkle toes who dad gave him 600_million?

Ok, but how did that form his current political ideology? I am practically sure that Comrade Kamala is living....and intent on governing based on her learned upbringing.

[Xuperman]

1.) Trust me, no one is changing anyone’s mind on this thread.

2.) You’re giving Obama way too much credit. He’s pretty inconsequential imo.

3.) if anyone fundamentally changed America, it was trump. He’s literally redefined an entire party. It used to be a fiscally conservative, limited government, pragmatic party.

Wow!

I am positive that NO ONE, in the WORLD, would refer to Barack Obama as inconsequential! Just do DOOF bro.

Yes. 100%. Trump has changed the political landscape in a BAD way. No matter the outcome of this election..... there will be a positive.

Either Trump is finally an erased decade nightmare OR Harris is elected and the inevitable pain of her administration will destroy the DEMOCRAT party forever.

[Xville]

Wow!

I am positive that NO ONE, in the WORLD, would refer to Barack Obama as inconsequential! Just do DOOF bro.

Yes. 100%. Trump has changed the political landscape in a BAD way. No matter the outcome of this election..... there will be a positive.

Either Trump is finally an erased decade nightmare OR Harris is elected and the inevitable pain of her administration will destroy the DEMOCRAT party forever.

Inconsequential

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/t...-barack-obama/

The only reason he is ever given any thought or positive outlook is because frankly he’s the first black president. Outside of that, he pretty much did nothing. His “crowning achievement” was a net neutral on healthcare. It had some positives and negatives, in the end it’s just as shitty as it was before—-just different in its shittiness.

[Xuperman]

Inconsequential

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/t...-barack-obama/

The only reason he is ever given any thought or positive outlook is because frankly he’s the first black president. Outside of that, he pretty much did nothing. His “crowning achievement” was a net neutral on healthcare. It had some positives and negatives, in the end it’s just as shitty as it was before—-just different in its shittiness.

Other than there is this "Fundamentally Transform America" doctrine, that has, and is, in full blown reality. I have a very good grasp on what he meant.... and has now accomplished.

Can we not understand that reality?

Obama literally "Transformed" our planet.

[Xuperman]

Straight up. Barack Obama is the most fantastically gifted political orator of ALL TIME.

Debate?

[paulxu]

Not one of those quotes can accurately be said to refute Kelly's words.
Most of them are about the weather decision to not go to the cemetery. (Convenient like bone spurs. He could have taken a car.)
The others couldn't have been by his side 24/7.
I feel very comfortable in saying Kelly did not make up the comments of Trump about suckers and losers.

All you have to do is watch the video of his comments about John McCain to know he doesn't really respect our troops.
They're merely props for his campaign.
If he really was interested in honoring the Afghan fallen, he wouldn't have had his campaign put out a video and photos of the visit, in violation of Army regulations.

I'm amazed at the lengths some will go to defend his conduct. It's clearly offensive to our military.

[paulxu]

Are you sure you would never find a video of A Democrat doing this? Are you totally sure? Positive?

Of course I'm not sure. If a Democrat did it, it would be wrong and a violation of Army regulations.

Is that your defense of Trump violating the regs? That a Democrat "might" have done the same thing? Good grief.

[Xville]

Other than there is this "Fundamentally Transform America" doctrine, that has, and is, in full blown reality. I have a very good grasp on what he meant.... and has now accomplished.

Can we not understand that reality?

Obama literally "Transformed" our planet.

Explain with factual information, not hyperbolic theories how you think he has transformed America, and what his role has been. Hint: I’m not asking for tin foil hat political operative right wing blog conspiracy theories.

I'm not a fan of Barack but your obsession with one thing he said has me defending him. It's pretty clear what he meant when he said that, hell it's in his speech.

"In five days, you can turn the page on policies that put greed and irresponsibility on Wall Street before the hard work and sacrifice of folks on Main Street. In five days, you can choose policies that invest in our middle class, and create new jobs, and grow this economy, so that everyone has a chance to succeed, not just the CEO, but the secretary and janitor, not just the factory owner, but the men and women on the factory floor."


Here's an interview with O'Reilly years after:

O’Reilly: "Mr. President, why do you feel it's necessary to fundamentally transform the nation that has afforded you so much opportunity and success?"

Obama: I don't think we have to fundamentally transform the nation.

O’Reilly: But those are your words.

Obama: I think that what we have to do is make sure that here in America, if you work hard, you can get ahead. Bill, you and I benefitted from this incredible country of ours, in part, because there were good jobs out there that paid a good wage, because you had public schools that functioned well, that we could get scholarships if we didn't come from a wealthy family, in order to go to college.

O’Reilly: Right.

Obama: That, you know, if you worked hard, not only did you have a good job, but you also had decent benefits, decent health care...

O’Reilly: They're cutting me off...

Obama: -- and for a lot of folks, we don't have that. We've got to make sure that we're doing everything we can to expand the middle class...

O’Reilly: All right...

Obama: -- and work hard and people who are working hard can get into the middle class.

O’Reilly: I think -- I -- you know, I know you think maybe we haven't been fair, but I think your heart is in the right place.


My assumption is that what gets you so worked up is that Obama was and is a strong proponent to the Alphabet community. I don't think he envisioned it going this far but whatever. While I really don't understand the trans thing and think its effed up that parents just go along with their six year old boy now saying hes a girl or whatever, it doesn't affect me one way or the other. If people want to identify as a tree, or f a racoon, whatever. Not my idea of a good time, but hey you do you.

So, tell me what's so awful about what he said and meant that has you taking one quote and gobbling about it a decade later? Good grief man..take an edible.

[Smails]

I'll try to help you with a simple one. Maybe it will help; maybe not.

If you ask your vice president to not perform his duty to count the electoral college votes, you are stopping the peaceful transfer of power that has occurred in our country for centuries. That's a feature of our democracy. He threatened it, and unleashed a mob to stop the vote.

Perhaps that's all too hard to understand. Perhaps you think they were tourists. If so, I can't help you. So, please don't bother asking again. Thanks.

Oh Paul, bless your heart. Jan 6th was disgusting and those that took part were punished. Trump went on trial for inciting and was acquitted. Just so we're clear...Trump asked Pence to do something and Pence said no and that's the threat to democracy'? It's almost like you don't know how our system of checks and balances in the government work.

The 'threat to democracy' narrative is nothing but a scripted platitude used to whip up a voter base who also don't understand how our government really works. It's been a very effective strategy as witnessed by several educated people that I know actually believing it could happen. If you'd like, I can point you to some fact-based information that can help quell your fears and show how one man cannot do what you fear he is able to do. It might help you sleep better at night if you understand how these things actually work. You've been duped by a narrative...it happens to everyone from time to time and there's really no shame in it.

[paulxu]

Trump went on trial for inciting and was acquitted.

If you're talking about Trump's indictment in the DC court, I don't recall any acquittal. A superseding indictment was recently filed.

As to your perspective on him being a threat to democracy, the lawyers from Reagan and Bush White Houses, respected conservative jurists like Michael Luttig, and a host of people who worked closely with the former president think he's a threat, as I did a long time ago. You can go with the excuse that it's a false narrative; I'll stick with the facts as evidenced throughout the last 10 years. His comments on what he would do in the next four if elected bear this out.