Politics Thread

[Xville]

One good thing if Trump loses again, which I think he will, his control over the party will be about gone. At least, I'd like to think so.

My hope is we have gridlock for four years, and then we can go back to having candidates that at least we all don't feel like vomiting when we are voting.

[GoMuskies]

I'm not optimistic.

[STL_XUfan]

If the Republicans had banned him from the primary, I'm almost certain he'd have done one of two things: (i) run as an inpendent; or (ii) endorse Joe Biden. He would have been absolutely hell-bent on preventing any Republican from winning if he had been "wronged" like that. He probably would have cost Republicans the House and Senate, too.

A promise of a pardon/terminating federal investigations may have been enough of a carrot to keep him from waging war on the nominee.

[xuwillie]

One good thing if Trump loses again, which I think he will, his control over the party will be about gone. At least, I'd like to think so.

My hope is we have gridlock for four years, and then we can go back to having candidates that at least we all don't feel like vomiting when we are voting.

We disagree on this. He was polling a lot worse in '16 and '20 compared to now. But with him and his mouth a lot can change in 60 days

[Smails]

One good thing if Trump loses again, which I think he will, his control over the party will be about gone.

I'm not sure he loses but we'll see. If he loses I hope he'll have run his political course (like a virus) but I think he'll remain a major player in GOP politics as far as endorsements and great sound bites moving forward. At least he won't be a 'threat to democracy' anymore, which I think we can all agree is a very real thing to be paranoid about.

[paulxu]

Who would have thought that lawyers who worked in the White House for Reagan, and the Bushes, were so paranoid.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/whi...-2024-showdown

[xuwillie]

That was not a great 18min interview by Harris.

[X-band '01]

We disagree on this. He was polling a lot worse in '16 and '20 compared to now. But with him and his mouth a lot can change in 60 days

Polling has changed a lot because of 2016. The polls we usually see had Hillary winning by a landslide, but internal polls from the Trump camp showed that they had a chance to win blue-wall states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania that Hillary Clinton neglected until it was too late (or totally neglected in the case of Wisconsin). Privately, Trump was being warned that 2020 would paint a different picture, but he stuck his head in the sand and he's following the same playbook for 2024.

Republicans are likely going to be furious on 3 different levels. They're probably going to lose the Presidency and the House and may not do better than a 50-50 Senate. They should have a golden opportunity to pick up multiple seats, yet the only one that's a slam dunk is West Virginia. Even that could be negated if Republicans lose the Senate seat in Florida.

I'll let Dash and the other Floridians speak about their own Senate race, but I'd have to think that a) the abortion initiative on the Florida ballot and b) the anger over rising housing/HOA costs is going to cost Republicans in some form or another. Rick Scott has never won a statewide race by more than 1-2% from what I've read.

[Xville]

I'm not sure he loses but we'll see. If he loses I hope he'll have run his political course (like a virus) but I think he'll remain a major player in GOP politics as far as endorsements and great sound bites moving forward. At least he won't be a 'threat to democracy' anymore, which I think we can all agree is a very real thing to be paranoid about.

I mean this would be basically the third election in a row he’d lose. 20, the supposed red wave of 22, and ‘24. You’d have to think at that point the republicans would get rid of him and his ideology completely. At least I’d hope so. I don’t like being a political orphan but as long as trump is in any kind of power, I guess I will be.

[Smails]

Who would have thought that lawyers who worked in the White House for Reagan, and the Bushes, were so paranoid.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/whi...-2024-showdown

Lol.. Paul, since this is a narrative that you have clung to for a few years now: I'd like to hear in your words (no articles) how you think that Donald Trump is a legitimate threat to Democracy. How do you feel that he will be able to circumvent the checks and balances we have in place and completely change the structure of the US Federal Government?