Politics Thread

[Masterofreality]

Do you wonder if any Democrats are beginning to realize they have been lied to for years with one HOAX after another. ��

1. Suckers & Losers Hoax
2. Russian collusion Hoax
3. Mischaracterizing Trump's "very fine people" comment after Charlottesville as praise for neo-Nazis Hoax
4. 51 Intelligence Agents Hoax
5. 16 Economists say Trump will create an Inflation problem Hoax
6. Drink Bleach Hoax
7. Trump has Dementia Hoax
7.5. Biden is sharp and doesn't have Dementia Hoax
8. COVID-19 lab leak theory as a conspiracy when it was initially suggested by Trump and Republicans Hoax
9. J6 Committee Coverup & destroying evidence Hoax
10. Ivermectin / HCQ doesn't work & is dangerous Hoax
11. Claiming Hunter Biden's laptop was "Russian disinformation" Hoax
12. Accusing Trump of inciting violence on January 6th, despite his calls for peaceful protest Hoax
13. Russian bounties on American troops, which lacked strong intelligence backing Hoax
14. Portraying Trump's response to COVID-19 as completely dismissive, when he took some early actions like travel restrictions Hoax
15. KC Chiefs' child fan with face painted is racist for half red half black face paint Hoax
16. Covington teen kid is racist after Indian man got in his face beating drum Hoax
17. 2020 election was MOST secure in American history, mail in ballots and machines had no problems - 81 Million Votes for Biden Hoax
18. Covid Vax protects against infection Hoax
19. Jussie Smollet "This is MAGA Country" Hoax
20. Bubba Wallace Garage Pull Hoax
21. Governor Whitmer FBI Kidnapping Hoax
22. Chinese weather Ballon loose over America Hoax
23. Steele Dossier Hoax
24. Russia bombed their own pipeline Hoax
25. Border Patrol agents whipped migrants Hoax
26. Trump put kids in Obama's cages Hoax
27. Trump had nuclear secrets at Miralago Hoax
28. "Muslim" Travel Ban Hoax
29. Cuomo performed best leadership during Covid Hoax
30. Ghost of Kyiv Hoax
31. "Al-Bagdhadi was an "austere religious scholar" Hoax
32. Trump overfed Koi fish in Japan Hoax
33. Trump tax cuts only benefits wealthy Hoax
34. Trump mocked a reporter's disability Hoax
35. J6 protesters killed a police officer Hoax
36. Putin inflation price hike Hoax
37. Trump overpowered Secret Service to grab wheel of "The Beast" from back seat Hoax
38. Masks prevent Covid Hoax
39. BLM / Antifa were "mostly peaceful protesters" Hoax
40. Trump used teargas to clear peaceful protests for Bible photo op Hoax
41. Kavanaugh gang rape train Hoax
41. Democrats must "Protect Demcracy" by keeping Political opponent off the ballots by lawfare and jail.
42. Rape charges from a woman who didn’t know when it happened (also accused 12 other of rape), and best friend said it never happened Hoax.
43. New York changed statute of limitations on NDA FEC election interference Hoax
44. Ukraine can win war with enough money & weapons from US Hoax
45. Putin will invade Europe next Hoax
46. Climate Change (Global Warning rebranded) is the most existential threat to humanity Hoax
47. What did I miss?

[Masterofreality]

I feel like some of you guys get your legal analysis from Elie Mystal.

From Yale Law Professor Jed Rubenfeld.
I’ll accept his analysis over the Board Barristers here.

“ Should a former president be immune from prosecution after leaving office? Believe it or not, we had no law on that issue for two hundred years. There didn’t need to be any: until now, no former president had ever been criminally prosecuted for actions taken during his presidency. But Trump is being prosecuted for (among other things) his involvement in January 6, so the immunity issue had to be confronted.
Trump’s lawyers argued for complete immunity. The special prosecutor, Jack Smith, argued for zero immunity, and the D.C. Circuit basically adopted the prosecution’s position. The Supreme Court rejected both extremes, laying down a new test for presidential immunity and giving something to both sides.
At its most simple, the Court’s new test first asks whether the conduct in question was an “official” act—i.e., an exercise of the president’s powers. If it was not an official act, then there’s no immunity at all. If it was official, the next question is whether the president was exercising a “core” constitutional power. If so, then there’s complete immunity—no prosecution is permissible. But if we’re dealing with an official act outside the core, then “presumptive” immunity applies—the president will be presumed immune unless the prosecution can rebut that presumption. What does that mean? Well, no one knows exactly, because it’s new law.
It will now be up to the lower courts to apply those standards”

[GoMuskies]

Yes, MOR, but that presumptive immunity must be a problem, right? Got to be impossible for a prosecutor to overcome, no? I mean, for example, we would NEVER have penitentiaries full of prisoners all over the country if normal citizens were presumptively innocent in criminal court proceedings!

[bobbiemcgee]

Maybe Biden can shoot trump on fifth avenue and test it out.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/supre...b06575b36641d8

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...fficial%20acts.

[bobbiemcgee]

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...r=donald-trump

[GoMuskies]

What's going on today? End of Biden? His odds to win the Presidency have moved from +250 to +450 in the last several hours. His odds of being the Dem nominee have moved from -250 to -140. The bad news? The overwhelming favorite to succeed him as nominee is none other than Cackles herself, Kamala Harris.

[bobbiemcgee]

No, it's M Obama and Newsom.

[GoMuskies]

Obama has generally been the favorite, but she's the #3 choice as replacement now at +1200. Newsom is +800. Kamala is +250.

Of that group, in a hypothetical matchup, Obama is the only one favored to beat Trump. She is a -175 favorite. Trump is only a slight -130 favorite over Newsom, but he's a massive -300 favorite over Cackles.

I say bring on the third term of Obama (really the 4th since Barack is pretty mucn pulling the strings through this admin).

[Strange Brew]

No, it's M Obama and Newsom.

Wait, I thought Biden won the Primary? I guess Democracy doesn’t matter to Dems. ;)

[Strange Brew]

Obama has generally been the favorite, but she's the #3 choice as replacement now at +1200. Newsom is +800. Kamala is +250.

Of that group, in a hypothetical matchup, Obama is the only one favored to beat Trump. She is a -175 favorite. Trump is only a slight -130 favorite over Newsom, but he's a massive -300 favorite over Cackles.

I say bring on the third term of Obama (really the 4th since Barack is pretty mucn pulling the strings through this admin).

Well, why not. FDR had 3 terms and absolutely nothing bad happened….:)