Politics Thread

[Strange Brew]

89 billlion budget surplus in Aug.

Looks like the dems will support Gaetz in his bid to get rid of Mc Carthy hahaha

One month. Throw a party!

Haha, Gaetz plays the right wing version of the Squad.

[xuwillie]

One month. Throw a party!

Haha, Gaetz plays the right wing version of the Squad.

Thanks to the Supreme Court for reversing the Dumb student loan forgiveness program. Of course Bobbie trying to spin like he always does.

[Smails]

I blame Trump and his antics for the lowering of standards of discourse in the country.

Well of course you do, Paul. Here's a thought: The standards of discourse have been getting lower and lower for the last 50-60 years. I couldn't imagine cussing in public around adults when I was a kid. These days, kids don't give a rip. Look at how kids talk to teachers today compared to 50 years ago. Look at the deterioration of customer service, look at how consumers treat merchants. How about the way parents speak to sporting officials and youth coaches? Been in a business meeting lately? It's ALOT different than it was when I entered the workforce in the 90's. I could go on and on but I think you get the drift.

It might just be that our elected officials are mirroring the changes in the electorate over the past 50 years, but that requires some critical thinking. The other line of thinking would be to blame Donald Trump.

[X-band '01]

You mean it didn't start when Leia called Han a scruffy-looking nerf herder?

[bobbiemcgee]

Thanks to the Supreme Court for reversing the Dumb student loan forgiveness program. Of course Bobbie trying to spin like he always does.

No spin Fact.

[bobbiemcgee]

One month. Throw a party!

Haha, Gaetz plays the right wing version of the Squad.

As i said....cluster..

“Matt is working with Eric Swalwell, but let me be very clear,” McCarthy told CNN. “Matt is upset about an ethics complaint. I don’t care what they threaten against me. I’m not gonna interject into an independent committee like ethics, and I’m not going to put Swalwell back on the intel committee. So, they can do whatever they want.”

Gaetz is facing a House Ethics Committee investigation over allegations that he engaged in sexual misconduct and did drugs, among other claims." --The Hill

[paulxu]

Well of course you do, Paul. Here's a thought: The standards of discourse have been getting lower and lower for the last 50-60 years. I couldn't imagine cussing in public around adults when I was a kid. These days, kids don't give a rip. Look at how kids talk to teachers today compared to 50 years ago. Look at the deterioration of customer service, look at how consumers treat merchants. How about the way parents speak to sporting officials and youth coaches? Been in a business meeting lately? It's ALOT different than it was when I entered the workforce in the 90's. I could go on and on but I think you get the drift.

It might just be that our elected officials are mirroring the changes in the electorate over the past 50 years, but that requires some critical thinking. The other line of thinking would be to blame Donald Trump.

While there's a lot of merit in what you say(and I entered the workforce in the 60's), I'd like to think Presidents could act...well, presidential. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Biden, etc seemed to be able to do so. They didn't make fun of disabled people, verbally attack other countries and their people or religions. They act like adults.

When a president acts poorly, it's a license for others to model his behavior, sadly.

[xuphan]

While there's a lot of merit in what you say(and I entered the workforce in the 60's), I'd like to think Presidents could act...well, presidential. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Biden, etc seemed to be able to do so. They didn't make fun of disabled people, verbally attack other countries and their people or religions. They act like adults.

When a president acts poorly, it's a license for others to model his behavior, sadly.

Didn’t Clinton get impeached? I wouldn’t say his whole Monica situation was very presidential. Joe Biden doesn’t seem very presidential with his slurred press conferences and his involvement in the Hunter situation. This is not a one party issue and in my opinion is being made worst by people who only point the finger at one party. Maybe demand accountability and ethical responsibility for all politicians who seem to lie about taking their oath seriously to serve the people and this country. If I acted like some of these politicians at my job, I wouldn’t have job. These politicians do it and are amazingly praised for doing it.

[Smails]

[QUOTE=paulxu;767364]While there's a lot of merit in what you say(and I entered the workforce in the 60's), I'd like to think Presidents could act...well, presidential. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Biden, etc seemed to be able to do so. They didn't make fun of disabled people, verbally attack other countries and their people or religions. They act like adults.


Bill Clinton was impeached for getting blow jobs, while married, in the oval office by a young vulnerable intern. Then he went on TV and lied to the American people. Then he lied under oath. Joe Biden has a documented past of sniffing little girls' hair and has hurled plenty of insults as his detractors "dog-faced pony soldier" Whatever the hell that means. I didn't start sniffing cocaine because i found out that Obama and Bush did. Did you start screwing around on your wife because JFK did? Presidential??

The 'license to act poorly' is a dog that simply doesn't hunt. Why would any person or parent get their moral or behavioral compass from a politician? That type of rearing comes from home, and anyone who decides that they can act a certain way because a politician does has nobody to blame but themself. "I did it because he did it" has never held water and never will. Blaming Trump for this kind of mentality is just another example of the Trump boogeyman complex and an unwillingness to hold individuals accountable for their actions.

[paulxu]

None of those things (except maybe whatever Biden's comment was) were done in public, over and over again.
They were done in private and later became public.
That is a far cry from the daily barrage of nonsense from Trump, or his bullying and name calling, and other infantile behavior.
Don't know how to explain it any better. He tacitly concurs with suggestions of violence at his rallies and in fact urged his supporters on to what became the insurrection at the Capitol.
And you can't see any difference?
BTW, a lot of the people in jail for that riot said exactly what you point out: "I did it because the president told me to."
And you're right, it didn't work and they are accountable for their own actions.
None of that excuses his behavior, that continues even to this day.