Xavier FCS Football???

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Just for shits and giggles, here is the makeup of the Pioneer League along with stadium capacity:

San Diego (6,000)
St. Thomas-Minnesota (5,000)
Drake (14,550)
Valparaiso (5,000)
Butler (7,500)
Dayton (11,000)
Marist (5,000)
Morehead (10,000)
Davidson (4,700)
Presbyterian (6,500)
Stetson (6,000)

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Another question that would arise is where would you build a new stadium that would also likely come with a track and field setup? The T&F program has always been at or near the bottom of the Big East and facilities has to be a major reason for that. Women's basketball is the only other program that has been consistently awful since joining the Big East.

Every other sport has had varying degrees of success - baseball has been one example and we're likely going to see both men's and women's soccer make the NCAA Tournament simultaneously for the first time.

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Just curious, how much do you think it generally costs?? Remember, this is the Pioneer Football League.

Some budgets from Pop wet League Schools.

Morehead State University Men's Football
On the money side of things, the Morehead State University football program brought home $1,082,756 in revenue and paid out $1,082,756 in total expenses.

The 116 players of the UDayton men's football team are led by a head coach and 9 assistant coaches. The team has an academic progress rate of 945, which is a measure of how well they do in the classroom. The football program at UDayton made $221,136 in revenue and spend $1,301,281 in expenses.

With an excellent academic progress rate of 989, the team has shown that they take there time in the classroom seriously. The Butler football program paid out $1,252,259 in expenses while making $1,244,835 in total revenue. That's not such good news since it means the program lost money to the tune of $-7,424.

On the money side of things, the Davidson football program brought home $1,772,393 in revenue and paid out $1,538,608 in total expenses. This means the program turned a profit, making $233,785 for the school.

There are 96 players on the Valpo men's football team, and they are led by one head coach and 10 assistant coaches. As an interesting note on their academic performance, the team's APR is 956. Valpo brought in $1,243,116 in revenue from its football program while paying out $1,158,267 in expenses.

There are 93 players on the USD men’s football team, and they are led by one head coach and 12 assistant coaches. The team has an excellent academic progress rate of 977 - proof that they don’t ignore the importance of getting a good education. The football program at USD made $1,554,246 in revenue and spend $1,554,246 in expenses. Even though this means that the program didn’t make any money, at least it wasn’t in the red.

A terrible MVC program with scholarships and no fan support for comparison:

The football program at Indiana State made $4,370,196 in revenue and spend $4,184,677 in expenses. This equates to a net profit of $185,519 for the program. That's definitely a big plus

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I’d think that Mt ST. Joes and Thomas More, both in the Cincinnati area, would be fair comparisons. Both programs have done well in the D3 and NAIA and have raised the exposure of both schools. Rosters are heavily made up of Cincinnati and NKY area players. Since both are private universities like X, getting financial numbers from those institutions can be difficult. I would imagine that using a local high school stadium would be the plan, not building a new one on the Xavier campus.

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https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/s...outputType=amp

So this is extremely old but it’s the latest I could find without really digging in.
My guess is that nowadays dayton is losing a million a season on football. If Xavier wants the equivalent of high school football I guess knock yourself out, but I think getting the basketball program to respectable year in and year out can also get another 100 guys to enroll without the added expense.

I’m having a really hard time seeing how this would benefit the university. I’d like to see some feasibility studies on this and see what they come up with.

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Some budgets from Pop wet League Schools.

Morehead State University Men's Football
On the money side of things, the Morehead State University football program brought home $1,082,756 in revenue and paid out $1,082,756 in total expenses.

The 116 players of the UDayton men's football team are led by a head coach and 9 assistant coaches. The team has an academic progress rate of 945, which is a measure of how well they do in the classroom. The football program at UDayton made $221,136 in revenue and spend $1,301,281 in expenses.

With an excellent academic progress rate of 989, the team has shown that they take there time in the classroom seriously. The Butler football program paid out $1,252,259 in expenses while making $1,244,835 in total revenue. That's not such good news since it means the program lost money to the tune of $-7,424.

On the money side of things, the Davidson football program brought home $1,772,393 in revenue and paid out $1,538,608 in total expenses. This means the program turned a profit, making $233,785 for the school.

There are 96 players on the Valpo men's football team, and they are led by one head coach and 10 assistant coaches. As an interesting note on their academic performance, the team's APR is 956. Valpo brought in $1,243,116 in revenue from its football program while paying out $1,158,267 in expenses.

There are 93 players on the USD men’s football team, and they are led by one head coach and 12 assistant coaches. The team has an excellent academic progress rate of 977 - proof that they don’t ignore the importance of getting a good education. The football program at USD made $1,554,246 in revenue and spend $1,554,246 in expenses. Even though this means that the program didn’t make any money, at least it wasn’t in the red.

A terrible MVC program with scholarships and no fan support for comparison:

The football program at Indiana State made $4,370,196 in revenue and spend $4,184,677 in expenses. This equates to a net profit of $185,519 for the program. That's definitely a big plus

So it essentially costs about a million dollars a year. Give or take.

The revenues and expenses that schools submit in the EADA Reports are often misleading if you don’t know how the reporting works. For instance, money given to the athletic department from the school is reported as athletics revenue even though the school is technically spending money. Scholarships are reported as both revenue and an expense. Since a school is basically writing themselves a check, the money they make from cashing the check is reported as revenue. The money they spend writing the check is an expense. But for PFL football, there are no scholarships, so the expenses are pretty accurate.

Here’s what IS NOT reported in the EADA. Tuition. It’s not going to the athletic dept so it’s not considered revenue, but it is going to the institution. Xavier’s tuition is listed at over $42,000 a year. A roster of 100 players would make over $4 million a year in tuition dollars for the school.

And, there you have it! That’s how the benefits of PFL football can be worth the cost for a private school.

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Nick - congrats on your success with fighting cancer.

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Nick - congrats on your success with fighting cancer.

Whoa! I’m not sure where that came from, but I’d like to echo that.

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https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/s...outputType=amp

So this is extremely old but it’s the latest I could find without really digging in.
My guess is that nowadays dayton is losing a million a season on football. If Xavier wants the equivalent of high school football I guess knock yourself out, but I think getting the basketball program to respectable year in and year out can also get another 100 guys to enroll without the added expense.

I’m having a really hard time seeing how this would benefit the university. I’d like to see some feasibility studies on this and see what they come up with.

The ATHLETIC DEPT is probably spending a million on football, but the institution is making three or four times that just off of the tuition that all of the players collectively pay. The school therefore has no problem giving the athletic department the million bucks they need to cover the expenses. They’re not losing money on football. Not really.

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The ATHLETIC DEPT is probably spending a million on football, but the institution is making three or four times that just off of the tuition that all of the players collectively pay. The school therefore has no problem giving the athletic department the million bucks they need to cover the expenses. They’re not losing money on football. Not really.

I understand what you are saying. Let’s say for shits n giggles average student pays 35000 after aid etc so that’s 3.5 mil… a positive of 2.5. My guess is that if it was a net 2.5, Xavier would have done this a long time ago.