Politics Thread

[Xville]

So, like like we do on this thread? The problem, I believe, is much more related to the rhetoric and gaslighting used in discussion. Calling someone a “tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist” for presenting info contrary to the mainstream narrative. That not only lends nothing to a debate, it is also an attempt to delegitimize a the person’s creditability. Similarly, categorizing information as “misinformation” and calling for censorship creates furthers division. Also kind of like we do on this thread.

On the topic of censorship, remember that misinform does not need to be censored, as it can easily be refuted with facts. Only facts need to be censored, as they cannot be refuted.

Posting links that are nonsense and presenting them as facts is what causes division. There are far too many on here that like to believe everything they read on the internet is true——as long as it coincides with their particular beliefs on a subject.

[X-band '01]

I think MOR is a little over the top, but having said that people have a right to be frustrated. DEMOCRATS have a right to be frustrated!! They SHOULD be frustrated! They have control over all three branches of government, they got there in large part because of the vision they sold. Well...the current reality doesn't match the vision. So...people should be pissed!!

Democrats are big on selling a vision and small on actually delivering on it. That's how I feel. And...I'm kinda tired of it. They're good at rallying around something that they think is unfair, or wrong, or some sort of social injustice and gaining votes to win elections. They suck once they're elected. I'm going to have a hard time voting for very many Democrats this next time around.

They have what we call the "AOC trifecta" of the White House/US House/Senate (albeit a 50/50 split), but the Judicial Branch is very deep in the Republican pockets. Not just the Supreme Court, but Courts of Appeals and just about every federal level of courts has a heavy percentage of Trump appointees because one of the major points of emphasis of Trump's presidency was pushing through nominees as long as he and Mitch McConnell were rubber-stamping nominees.

If Trump or DeSantis (or someone else in the GOP) gets the keys to the White House in 2024, you can bet the farm they'll do everything in their power to convince Clarence Thomas to retire by then if they get the keys back to the Senate by then. John Roberts and Samuel Alito will also be creeping close to two decades of service, so that will offer a litle bit of a long-term outlook at least as far as the Supreme Court is concerned.

As for 2022, we could still see a 50/50 Senate even while the House is likely to flip red. Democrats have to defend seats in Georgia, Arizona and even Nevada won't be easy. The GOP has to defend Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and even Ohio is not a complete gimmie.

[X-band '01]

Biden's has NOT discouraged "domestic energy production." He has been very supportive of alternative energy solutions to fossil fuels.
As to his tweet:
1 - oil companies don't need the continuance of decades long subsidies when they are making record profits every year. Why use our taxpayer dollars to subsidize them? That doesn't seem very reasonable
2 - as for banning more drilling on federal land...there are 9000 existing federal leases unused. Wouldn't it seem reasonable to use those that can be productive first?
3 - perhaps there are some oil executives (like the robber barons of old) who should be held accountable for price gouging. That seem at least reasonable enough to consider in the face of recent pricing/profit realities

As to the price of gas, it'll cost the Dems in November. Curiously enough, adjusted for inflation, we have seen this price before.
And if I see you at Dana's, the first round is on me:

One of the things that the first infrastructure package included was a network of about 50,000 EV charging stations throughout the country. It'll take years to implement, but it will be a big deal for people that don't have access to a charging station at home, for example.

A lack of computer chips is also driving vehicle prices through the roof for both gas, electric and hybrids for example. That's another reason why the announcement of a new Intel plant opening in Ohio is a big deal (although again, this is years down the road). A lot of computer chips are made in China, but they've been badly shuttered b/c China is overaggressively trying out their zero-Covid policy.

[Masterofreality]

One of the things that the first infrastructure package included was a network of about 50,000 EV charging stations throughout the country. It'll take years to implement, but it will be a big deal for people that don't have access to a charging station at home, for example.

A lack of computer chips is also driving vehicle prices through the roof for both gas, electric and hybrids for example. That's another reason why the announcement of a new Intel plant opening in Ohio is a big deal (although again, this is years down the road). A lot of computer chips are made in China, but they've been badly shuttered b/c China is overaggressively trying out their zero-Covid policy.

Which, once again means that Biden is forcing iish to happen before it possibly can and is absolutely stupid policy.
Plus, ya gotta import the rare earth materials for batteries, and Computer chips too from….China, thereby doubling the idiocy.

[Muskie in dayton]

Posting links that are nonsense and presenting them as facts is what causes division. There are far too many on here that like to believe everything they read on the internet is true——as long as it coincides with their particular beliefs on a subject.

The opportunity is there to refute those links… if you can. I would love for you to try.

[Xville]

The opportunity is there to refute those links… if you can. I would love for you to try.

There is an opportunity for people to not post insane links and present them as fact. I’d like to see several people try that instead.

Pretty easy to refute insane links.. I’ll just go to the opposite view insane link and post that. There, done. Instead, we could just stop posting insane opinionated links.

[paulxu]

The top spreaders of misinformation in just a brief window of time. 49 million tweets:

https://techpolicy.press/researchers...2020-election/

[XU_Lou]

There is an opportunity for people to not post insane links and present them as fact. I’d like to see several people try that instead.

Pretty easy to refute insane links.. I’ll just go to the opposite view insane link and post that. There, done. Instead, we could just stop posting insane opinionated links.

oooh, "insane links".... sounds ominous....

Well, we could always just go to Larry Hogan's website and get his opinion, because, you know, we can't think for ourselves...

[XU_Lou]

The opportunity is there to refute those links… if you can. I would love for you to try.

You're asking a lot!!!

[Xville]

oooh, "insane links".... sounds ominous....

Well, we could always just go to Larry Hogan's website and get his opinion, because, you know, we can't think for ourselves...

Lol you’re hilarious. Says the guy who is the Member of the Alex Berenson, gateway pundit and Breitbart fan club.

I used hogan as an example of the type of politician we need.. someone who is pragmatic and makes decisions based on reasoning, not looking up what the “platform” is and then regurgitating it. Something you are a huge fan of.