Politics Thread

[paulxu]

Then the GOP got to work:

from the GOP-led Senate Intelligence Committee found that "The Trump campaign’s interactions with Russian intelligence services during the 2016 presidential election posed a “grave” counterintelligence threat [and] detailed how associates of Donald Trump had regular contact with Russians and expected to benefit from the Kremlin’s help."

You can interact with Russian intelligence and get a pardon from the President. Who knew.

Then again, should we trust a GOP lead Intelligence Committee to tell the truth? Perhaps their report was fake news.

[Masterofreality]

Then the GOP got to work:

from the GOP-led Senate Intelligence Committee found that "The Trump campaign’s interactions with Russian intelligence services during the 2016 presidential election posed a “grave” counterintelligence threat [and] detailed how associates of Donald Trump had regular contact with Russians and expected to benefit from the Kremlin’s help."

You can interact with Russian intelligence and get a pardon from the President. Who knew.

Then again, should we trust a GOP lead Intelligence Committee to tell the truth? Perhaps their report was fake news.

Yeah, see? I knew you’d try to pull that Bullshit out of the hat.
I merely refer you back to my previously posted article by Matt Taibbi earlier in this thread (Post 13522).
You obviously declined to read it.
The Senate Intelligence Committee at the time could only rely on info that was given to them, all of which was debunked subsequently.
To wit:

” Russiagate die-hards will wave their hands here and point to the Senate Intelligence Committee report of 2020 that concluded there was collusion based on the idea that former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort gave “sensitive internal polling data” to his former deputy Konstantin Kilimnik, whom the report bluntly says “is a Russian intelligence officer.” The Senate Committee could not say what their evidence was against Kilimnik, or what he supposedly did with that polling data, or why. They did say they obtained “some information” that Kilimnik “may have” been connected “to the GRU’s hack and leak operation targeting the 2016 U.S. election,” though the portion of the report explaining this remarkable supposition is redacted.

I’d argue all of the above — that Senate report is a joke on multiple levels — but it’s irrelevant. Kilimnik didn’t really show up in popular collusion theories until early 2018, well over a year after the Russiagate madness began. The collusion train in the crucial first period of late 2016 through late 2017 was driven by Clinton-concocted news phantoms, during a time when the public was not yet aware that the Clinton campaign funded the Steele reports.

Clinton and her campaign systematically lied throughout, both about “collusion” and about their involvement in disseminating popular theories about it. We know this for a fact. The Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign recently agreed to pay a $113,000 fine to the Federal Election Commission for concealing their role in producing the Steele research, a role by the way her campaign never admitted to, and which was only disclosed through dogged effort by the House Intelligence Committee nearly a year after the 2016 election.”

[noteggs]

Something you left out from that same report. It stated specifically and more explicitly that the Trump campaign did not collude with Russians. Also states Trump himself was not complicit. Not defending Trump, but just trying to put more context behind your post.

So now we know Hillary’s involvement with the collusion hoax, is there going to be a democratic investigative probe? That’s what I thought.

You are really showing your true colors when you state “changing an email” by the FBI is no big deal. Especially when it involves getting a court approved warrant to spy on an American citizen and trample his civil rights! Sure the lawyer only got a slap on the wrist, but the act was certainly a big deal. Oh yeah BTW, that citizen was only trying to help Americans before he got involved in the campaign…good grief.

Edit: this in reference to Paul”s post. Guess MOR and I were typing at the same time.

[paulxu]

You can interact with Russian intelligence and get a pardon from the President. Who knew
Then again, should we trust a GOP lead Intelligence Committee to tell the truth? Perhaps their report was fake news.

I guess Manafort did not get a pardon (admission of guilt) for his activities.
I guess Roger Stone didn't get one (admission of guilt) when sentenced to prison
I guess...well...it's a long list. Look it up.

We'll just have to disagree. Collusion is not a crime. But from my perspective, if the campaign manager of a presidential candidate gives information to a Russian intelligence operative...that indicates collusion.
You guys would be totally unhinged if Hillary's campaign manager gave polling data to a Russian, and then they did targeted ads against Trump, the way the Russians did.
Mueller didn't conclude there was no collusion.
That I think is the media and maybe Barr's take. I'd say Manafort/Russia was collusion. Not a crime.

“The president was not exculpated for the acts that he allegedly committed,” Mueller told the House judiciary committee, adding that Trump could theoretically be indicted after he leaves office.

“We did not address ‘collusion,’ which is not a legal term,” Mueller added. “Rather, we focused on whether the evidence was sufficient to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy. It was not.”

I guess this is all fake news.

[Masterofreality]

I guess Manafort did not get a pardon (admission of guilt) for his activities.
I guess Roger Stone didn't get one (admission of guilt) when sentenced to prison
I guess...well...it's a long list. Look it up.

We'll just have to disagree. Collusion is not a crime. But from my perspective, if the campaign manager of a presidential candidate gives information to a Russian intelligence operative...that indicates collusion.
You guys would be totally unhinged if Hillary's campaign manager gave polling data to a Russian, and then they did targeted ads against Trump, the way the Russians did.
Mueller didn't conclude there was no collusion.
That I think is the media and maybe Barr's take. I'd say Manafort/Russia was collusion. Not a crime.



I guess this is all fake news.

The “evidence” was clearly falsified and has been debunked.
So where is the new Indictment of Trump from, errrr, anyone?
It’s nowhere, because there is no there there. Mueller chose that language to not throw anybody else at the FBI under the bus.
Paul, you are a lost cause.

[paulxu]

The “evidence” was clearly falsified and has been debunked.

Which must explain indictments, guilty pleas and pardons (admissions of guilt). I am truly a lost cause if that is the case.

[bobbiemcgee]

So where is the new Indictment of Trump from, errrr, [B][I]anyone ?

Coming soon in Ga.:

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...-tribe-1711018

BTW, speaking of dumb georgia pubs, can anyone get any dumber than MTG:

"Marjorie Taylor Greene Says Bill Gates Will Force You to Eat Burgers Made in a ‘Peach Tree Dish’

[noteggs]

Coming soon in Ga.:

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...-tribe-1711018

BTW, speaking of dumb georgia pubs, can anyone get any dumber than MTG:

"Marjorie Taylor Greene Says Bill Gates Will Force You to Eat Burgers Made in a ‘Peach Tree Dish’

Well she is from the Peach state. Lol

[Xuperman]

Coming soon in Ga.:

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...-tribe-1711018

BTW, speaking of dumb georgia pubs, can anyone get any dumber than MTG:

"Marjorie Taylor Greene Says Bill Gates Will Force You to Eat Burgers Made in a ‘Peach Tree Dish’

She does have a BBA degree from UGA, but obviously failed 8th grade Chemistry.

Gates could be forced to eat some strange things himself, if the details of his relationship with Epstein ever go public.

[Xuperman]

Speaking of dumb georgia pubs, can anyone get any dumber than MTG:

Yes, Georgia Democrat Congressman Hank Johnson has an iron grip on that, when he said in a 2010 Official Military hearing, that Guam would tip over and capsize if more Military personnel were placed there.

THAT degree of stupidity will NEVER be challenged!