Politics Thread

[Strange Brew]

100% Agree. Kids these day can instantly access pretty much everything online and/or on TV. The next generation of children are a scary dark bunch who have less parental involvement and supervision.

I feel old...:)

Dang kids these days..

[paulxu]

Finally. Glad you support the killing of babies and the people who want to multiply that. Many more babies have died than on January 6.

I don't believe I've ever noted my stance on this issue.
I will note some history though.
For only 156 years of the 2000 years of the Catholic Church has abortion been outlawed. During the other centuries is was accepted. Things often change.

In the early Roman Catholic church, abortion was permitted for male fetuses in the first 40 days of pregnancy and for female fetuses in the first 80-90 days. Not until 1588 did Pope Sixtus V declare all abortion murder, with excommunication as the punishment. Only 3 years later a new pope found the absolute sanction unworkable and again allowed early abortions. 300 years would pass before the Catholic church under Pius IX again declared all abortion murder. This standard, declared in 1869, remains the official position of the church, reaffirmed by the current pope.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12340403/

[Strange Brew]

I don't believe I've ever noted my stance on this issue.
I will note some history though.
For only 156 years of the 2000 years of the Catholic Church has abortion been outlawed. During the other centuries is was accepted. Things often change.


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12340403/

Does that make it right?

People did nutty stuff in the past so it's ok now? You're not a very "enlightened" person...

It's not about religion for some of us Paul.

Just to be clear (borrowed from Obama), if Roe v. Wade is overturned it doesn't make anything illegal.

[paulxu]

Does that make it right?

People did nutty stuff in the past so it's ok now? You're not a very "enlightened" person...

It's not about religion for some of us Paul.

Just to be clear (borrowed from Obama), if Roe v. Wade is overturned it doesn't make anything illegal.

I didn't say it made it right.
I'm probably not enlightened, but if some nutty person (a pope) changes course again, it would be challenging.
Curious, if not religion, what is it about for you?
If Roe is overturned, many state laws would instantly make abortion illegal.

[Strange Brew]

I didn't say it made it right.
I'm probably not enlightened, but if some nutty person (a pope) changes course again, it would be challenging.
Curious, if not religion, what is it about for you?
If Roe is overturned, many state laws would instantly make abortion illegal.

Biology.

Right, States could make it illegal because IT IS NOT A RIGHT in the Constitution. Write your Congressperson to propose an Amendment.

[paulxu]

Biology.

Right, States could make it illegal because IT IS NOT A RIGHT in the Constitution. Write your Congressperson to propose an Amendment.

Not here to propose either way.
What is the biology reference? Are you against abortions because of biology?

[Strange Brew]

Not here to propose either way.
What is the biology reference? Are you against abortions because of biology?

Then why are you here?

Well, the fetus (a stage of human development like adolescence) is a human being with unique DNA separate from the parents. Abortion kills that unique human. Which is murder. Would like to revisit murder laws Paul?

[paulxu]

Then why are you here?

Well, the fetus (a stage of human development like adolescence) is a human being with unique DNA separate from the parents. Abortion kills that unique human. Which is murder. Would like to revisit murder laws Paul?

Thanks for the clarification about your position.
I'm not completely up on the science, but a few things are troubling.
When we make abortion a black and white issue, from the moment of conception, that doesn't work for me.
Why? About 2 % of embryos become ectopic pregnancies outside the uterus. They will never be viable.
Most are miscarried, but some need to have medical intervention for the health of the mother; either medicine or surgery.
If you are absolute about conception, and it's "murder" to help that mother remove that embryo to protect her health, then I disagree with that.

Perhaps you are OK with abortion up to the point the embryo becomes a fetus in the eighth week.
If I've misunderstood, my apologies.

[Masterofreality]

I don't believe I've ever noted my stance on this issue.
I will note some history though.
For only 156 years of the 2000 years of the Catholic Church has abortion been outlawed. During the other centuries is was accepted. Things often change.


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12340403/

I don’t think I ever referenced the Church. Some misdirection here, huh.
But babies are babies. Abortion is killing a life. Period.

By the way. Nice of you to skip over my post about Replacement theory where you tried to spout utter Bullshit based upon your trash media narratives.

[Strange Brew]

Thanks for the clarification about your position.
I'm not completely up on the science, but a few things are troubling.
When we make abortion a black and white issue, from the moment of conception, that doesn't work for me.
Why? About 2 % of embryos become ectopic pregnancies outside the uterus. They will never be viable.
Most are miscarried, but some need to have medical intervention for the health of the mother; either medicine or surgery.
If you are absolute about conception, and it's "murder" to help that mother remove that embryo to protect her health, then I disagree with that.

Perhaps you are OK with abortion up to the point the embryo becomes a fetus in the eighth week.
If I've misunderstood, my apologies.

An embryo is a developing unique human. The losses of life you mention are natural, tragic processes. Intentionally killing a viable human is murder Paul.

However, ectopic pregnancies are another issue as the human becomes a threat to the life of another human. Which is unbelievably tragic but I think most States would allow the procedure in that circumstance.

I don't think the issue is about those situations however.