Politics Thread

[Masterofreality]

I've been wrong about a lot of things in my life...and I'm sure there are more to come.

For now I'll stand on the position that Trump screwed up a great opportunity to minimize the risk of Iran getting full nuclear bomb capabilities by backing out of the JCPOA when we had inspectors on the ground. Now we are trying hard to repair the damage.

Reminds me of Bush going to war about WMD's when we had inspectors in Iraq saying they couldn't find any. He convinced the country and it was a tragic and costly mistake.
So was backing out of the JCPOA.

From the article I posted:

“ But even the most cursory examination of the deal reveals that it resolves nothing. On the contrary, it permits Tehran to keep everything it needs to build a nuclear bomb, even including, for example, the secure bunker dug deep under a mountain near Fordow. Designed to shield Iran’s uranium enrichment facilities from attack, Fordow’s sole purpose is military in nature. We know this with certainty thanks to the nuclear archive that the Israelis captured in a Tehran warehouse in 2018. What’s more, the deal permits Tehran to make advances in its weapons program—by, for example, developing advanced centrifuges—even while its nuclear activities are still formally under international restrictions.

The upshot is this: By 2031, under the terms of this supposedly excellent deal, Iran will have a major, unfettered nuclear weapons program.”

Damage? Huh! The “Damage” that has been done is to the US relationship with Israel and Saudi Arabia which have big problems with Iran.
I suppose Paul would rather be friends with a regime that is supportive with Putin & Xi rather than ally like Israel, which is the Bulwark vs all aggression in the Middle East. Strange Bedfellows you prefer Paul.

And finally there is this from the article:

“
Among themselves, America’s allies wonder how such a crackpot idea (of the Iran deal & American Unexceptionalism) ever became the guiding concept of American foreign policy. Senior leaders in both Israel and the Gulf have told me personally that they find the Biden team’s policies incomprehensible and its explanations of those policies fundamentally incoherent, if not dishonest. In quiet voices in Tel Aviv, Israeli leaders are now talking about when, not if, they will have to take major military action to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon.”

The “Deal” was badly designed from the start and based upon faulty assumptions. Iran will do what it does. It never stopped developing nuclear, just went underground.
Paul you are dead wrong

[XU_Lou]

Thank God for Joe Manchin.... again.

[paulxu]

The “Deal” was badly designed from the start and based upon faulty assumptions. Iran will do what it does. It never stopped developing nuclear, just went underground.
Paul you are dead wrong

Your "article" overlooks some basic facts. We knew about Fordow in 2008 when US, Britain and France announced it. The province of the captured documents has never been established but they indicate what happens when you pull out of an agreement you've signed...they began enriching to a higher level.
Prior to pulling out,there were inspectors in Fordow and the other facilities, monitoring activity.
Once we pulled out of the agreement, they started enriching towards weapons grade. Now we're trying to stop that.
You would think we would want to do that, not encourage them towards a nuclear weapon.

[XU_Lou]

Where's the baby formula, Joe?

[xuphan]

I've been wrong about a lot of things in my life...and I'm sure there are more to come.

For now I'll stand on the position that Trump screwed up a great opportunity to minimize the risk of Iran getting full nuclear bomb capabilities by backing out of the JCPOA when we had inspectors on the ground. Now we are trying hard to repair the damage.

Reminds me of Bush going to war about WMD's when we had inspectors in Iraq saying they couldn't find any. He convinced the country and it was a tragic and costly mistake.
So was backing out of the JCPOA.

Donald Trump, Joe Biden and the extreme left and right are never wrong in their eyes on anything they do. I commend you for admitting that you can be wrong at times. We all are wrong at times. Just funny to see people dig a deeper hole trying to defend themselves.

[bjf123]

Donald Trump, Joe Biden and the extreme left and right are never wrong in their eyes on anything they do. I commend you for admitting that you can be wrong at times. We all are wrong at times. Just funny to see people dig a deeper hole trying to defend themselves.

And that’s one of the major problems now. Both sides pander to the lunatic fringe on both sides of the aisle, while not caring about most of the country that falls in between.


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[xuphan]

And that’s one of the major problems now. Both sides pander to the lunatic fringe on both sides of the aisle, while not caring about most of the country that falls in between.


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This 100%!

[XU_Lou]

Donald Trump, Joe Biden and the extreme left and right are never wrong in their eyes on anything they do. I commend you for admitting that you can be wrong at times. We all are wrong at times. Just funny to see people dig a deeper hole trying to defend themselves.

Oh God, here we go again with the centrist charade....

[Masterofreality]

Your "article" overlooks some basic facts. We knew about Fordow in 2008 when US, Britain and France announced it. The province of the captured documents has never been established but they indicate what happens when you pull out of an agreement you've signed...they began enriching to a higher level.
Prior to pulling out,there were inspectors in Fordow and the other facilities, monitoring activity.
Once we pulled out of the agreement, they started enriching towards weapons grade. Now we're trying to stop that.
You would think we would want to do that, not encourage them towards a nuclear weapon.

“Facts” equal speculation given as fact in Paul’s world. Whom am I to believe? A blue glasses partisan biased Trump hater or a Princeton Professor who’s living it is to know everything about Iranian and Middle Eastern politics? Hmmm. Seems like an easy answer.
Paul why do you continue to carry water for a terrorist murderous regime that reeks havoc all through the Persian Gulf, and for a former Administration who’s Foreign Policy failures are numerous?
We can only conclude that Paul, like Barack Obama and Joe Biden are easily duped. You would think that a Xavier educated person would be a bit more, shall we say, cognizant of the world?

[Strange Brew]

Donald Trump, Joe Biden and the extreme left and right are never wrong in their eyes on anything they do. I commend you for admitting that you can be wrong at times. We all are wrong at times. Just funny to see people dig a deeper hole trying to defend themselves.

Serious question. What POLICIES of the former President do you find extreme?

Also, the current POTUS just killed drilling leases in Alaska and the Gulf while gas prices are at records. That's either extreme or extremely dumb.