Politics Thread

**paulxu** · 11-08-2021, 01:39 PM

I follow legal analysts who were cautious from the beginning that the dossier was planted disinformation, and to the extent it was used for warrants is obviously an intelligence failure.
I hoped you watched the video I linked on how Russia is using it (on both sides) to spread dissent within our country.

As to Manafort, the Republican led, years long intelligence committee report decided Manafort had worked with Russian intelligence, and they in turn worked with Wikileaks to influence the election. Rudy said turning over the polling data was "bad judgement." Can you think of a possible legal explanation that Manafort would give US polling data to a Russian intelligence officer? Sharing it other Republican state parties makes sense. Sharing it with the Russians (so they could perhaps target US voters with Facebook ads to influence the election) seems to be a little out of bounds.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN25E1US

You'll recall Manafort was pardoned for his crimes, and to accept a pardon is an admission of guilt.
The FBI currently has a $250,000 reward for the Russian intelligence officer with whom Manafort shared polling data.
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/counterin...imnik.pdf/view

Since these were conclusions by Republican senators, I assume you might re-think your position. But, maybe not.

**bobbiemcgee** · 11-08-2021, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Smails

Who on THIS board is claiming that? At the very least try to counter what someone here is actually saying if you're going to make an argument. Otherwise you just sound like an old gasbag.

About 40% on the Snipe poll here. How did you vote? 60% nationally. yep, your usual "can't win the argument" so throw out some insults.

**Masterofreality** · 11-08-2021, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by paulxu

I follow legal analysts who were cautious from the beginning that the dossier was planted disinformation, and to the extent it was used for warrants is obviously an intelligence failure.
I hoped you watched the video I linked on how Russia is using it (on both sides) to spread dissent within our country.

As to Manafort, the Republican led, years long intelligence committee report decided Manafort had worked with Russian intelligence, and they in turn worked with Wikileaks to influence the election. Rudy said turning over the polling data was "bad judgement." Can you think of a possible legal explanation that Manafort would give US polling data to a Russian intelligence officer? Sharing it other Republican state parties makes sense. Sharing it with the Russians (so they could perhaps target US voters with Facebook ads to influence the election) seems to be a little out of bounds.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN25E1US

You'll recall Manafort was pardoned for his crimes, and to accept a pardon is an admission of guilt.
The FBI currently has a $250,000 reward for the Russian intelligence officer with whom Manafort shared polling data.
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/counterin...imnik.pdf/view

Since these were conclusions by Republican senators, I assume you might re-think your position. But, maybe not.

The Republican Intelligence Commited, huh?
This is what Manafort was convicted of:
FACT Verdict. On August 21, their fourth day of deliberation, the jury found Manafort guilty on 8 of the 18 felony counts, including five counts of filing false tax returns, two counts of bank fraud, and one count of failing to disclose a foreign bank account. Judge Ellis declared a mistrial on the remaining 10 charges. From your favorite network NPR:

“ Throughout the trial, the special counsel's office never made a case against Manafort related to its overarching mandate — investigating any links or coordination between Trump's campaign and the Russian interference in the 2016 election.”

NOTHING ABOUT A RUSSIAN SPY. Nothing about treason or crimes against the country. The pardon was for the above conviction.
And with the “reward” the FBI is trying to cover their ass with a straw man who can never be caught because he doesn’t exist. The media will never go back and correct their BS. Just like Adam Schiff will never go back and correct his BS claim about having “definitive evidence of collusion”. He didn’t, doesn’t and lied.
Stop drinking the Kool Aid Paul.

**bobbiemcgee** · 11-08-2021, 02:10 PM

Bipartisan support for infrastructure. Finally had "infrastructure week". No longer a running joke.

**paulxu** · 11-08-2021, 02:12 PM

What can I say. The Senate Republicans said he gave polling data to the Russians. The DOJ doesn't prosecute...perhaps it's not a crime on it's face.
But...are you so naive that you don't think there was a purpose to him doing that? His lawyers admitted he did. What was his reason for giving Russians some American polling data? Good grief.

Meanwhile, to inject a small amount of humor (if you remember the song) here is a ruling from a judge in the trial of one of the insurrectionists who stormed the Capitol, and wanted to travel to Europe:

Judge Chris Cooper, noting that Eduardo Nicolas Alvear Gonzalez smoked pot while at insurrection, denies his request to travel to England, saying, "Appreciating Defendant's desire to broaden his horizons but finding the request one toke over the line."

XU_Lou · 11-08-2021, 02:35 PM

Wow, what a bad week for the American-hating left. Lets review:

* Dems get smoked in the election

* The election also drew out the worst racism that permeates throughout the Dem party and the media

* Russia-gate blows-up in the Dems face, proving (once again) that they are liars and traitors

* The Dems grandiose plan to spend and regulate the country into oblivion is hanging on only by a thread, and will likely go down

* Kyle Rittenhouse is about to walk free - sorry, you didn't get your scalp!

**Masterofreality** · 11-08-2021, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by paulxu

What can I say. The Senate Republicans said he gave polling data to the Russians. The DOJ doesn't prosecute...perhaps it's not a crime on it's face.
But...are you so naive that you don't think there was a purpose to him doing that? His lawyers admitted he did. What was his reason for giving Russians some American polling data? Good grief.

Meanwhile, to inject a small amount of humor (if you remember the song) here is a ruling from a judge in the trial of one of the insurrectionists who stormed the Capitol, and wanted to travel to Europe:

Paul. Please listen. None of that information that either the Republicans nor the media reported was verified and corroborated. it was all hearsay as Detailed in Mate’s essay. THAT is why the DOJ couldn’t prosecute or Mueller accuse.
See, there is this thing called EVIDENCE to be able to show a crime or that Manafort ever did that. The FBI falsified info to the Republicans just like they falsified information in the FISA warrants. That, at the time was the garbage that was submitted to them. It’s been totally debunked since. These were made up stories repeated by compliant news media who had it out for Trump and that Hilary lost.
Stop believing bull shit and start believing what happens in court- after PROOF is submitted. Stop with the straw men.

And wait until the Supreme Court gets to rule on Biden’s latest mandate bull shit. WHOO HOOO!

This for good measure:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...ar_146702.html

**Masterofreality** · 11-08-2021, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

Bipartisan support for infrastructure. Finally had "infrastructure week". No longer a running joke.

With 13 Republicans saving the Dems from themselves. Glad you are giving Republicans credit.
A bill that was crafted with input from numerous Republicans that had support from many.
Build Back Better will fail and it will be glorious. That is the joke

**paulxu** · 11-08-2021, 04:09 PM

Not that it will obviously change anyone's mind, but the FBI investigation (Crossfire Hurricane) was opened after a friendly government advised the US of a potential problem involving Russia and the Trump campaign.
The original FISA applications were before the Steele dossier, and were supported as necessary from FBI intelligence.
From the IG report on the investigation:

As we describe in Chapter Three, the FBI opened Crossfire Hurricane on Ju ly 31, 2016, just days after its receipt of information from a Friendly Foreign
Government (FFG) reporting that, in May 2016, during a meeting with the FFG, then Trump campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos "suggested the Trump team had received some kind of suggestion from Russia that it could assist this process with the anonymous release of information during the campaign that would be damaging to Mrs. Clinton (and President Obama)." The FBI Electronic Communication (EC) opening the Crossfire Hurricane investigation stated t hat, based o n the FFG information, "this investigation is being opened to determine whether individual(s) associated with the Trump campaign are witting of and/or coordinating activities with the Government of Russia."

These officials, though, did not become aware of Steele's election reporting until weeks later and we therefore determined that Steele's reports played no role in the Crossfire Hurricane opening.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

Also note:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-c...arrant-n893666