Politics Thread

**Strange Brew** · 01-25-2021, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

Biden approval 63% -

Of registered voting machines....

**bobbiemcgee** · 01-25-2021, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Of registered voting machines....

Watch out, your buddy rudy got sued for 1.3 billion.

**bobbiemcgee** · 01-25-2021, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by noteggs

Can you please direct me towards this? My local news doesn’t seem to cover.

Sure:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybe...h=47bb426c5342

**noteggs** · 01-26-2021, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

Sure:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybe...h=47bb426c5342

One of us needs to check our blood sugar because I’m completely lost in this discussion.

**boozehound** · 01-26-2021, 07:02 AM

Regardless of the constitutional standing: Does anybody actually think we should be bothering to impeach Trump at this point? If so, why?

The only way I could see it having any value is if Mitch wants Trump out of the picture and is willing to play ball on a speedy trial followed by conviction and barring from future office. That's pretty clearly not the case, which makes this all a waste of time and effort.

It would seem like there are much better things that Congress could be working on right now than a second impeachment. Pandemic response. Economic recovery plan. Confirming key government appointees. I understand that people want there to be consequences for the coup attempt, but if you have been following the news there kind of all ready have been. The Trump's are pariahs to most of civilized society. They are losing business partners left and right. Their brand is tremendously devalued. Let's just leave it at that and move on.

STL_XUfan · 01-26-2021, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by boozehound

Regardless of the constitutional standing: Does anybody actually think we should be bothering to impeach Trump at this point? If so, why?

The only way I could see it having any value is if Mitch wants Trump out of the picture and is willing to play ball on a speedy trial followed by conviction and barring from future office. That's pretty clearly not the case, which makes this all a waste of time and effort.

It would seem like there are much better things that Congress could be working on right now than a second impeachment. Pandemic response. Economic recovery plan. Confirming key government appointees. I understand that people want there to be consequences for the coup attempt, but if you have been following the news there kind of all ready have been. The Trump's are pariahs to most of civilized society. They are losing business partners left and right. Their brand is tremendously devalued. Let's just leave it at that and move on.

I see two reasons that is should move forward, one pro-Trump one anti-trump.

First, despite what our resident constitutional scholar MoR has stated, Trump has already been impeached. So now we have an impeachment standing out there for all of time that was never tried. If I was on the Trump side I would want the trial as a chance to clear my name by being able to state that I was acquitted of the charges by the Senate. The only way that can happen is a trial. The bad analogy is if the DOJ charged Boozehound with treason and then just shelved the issue without ever giving Boozehound a right to a trial (in criminal court it would be dismissed for lack prosecution, hence the bad analogy) I am sure Boozehound would not be happy to wear that scarlet letter the rest of his life.

On the other side of the Aisle, there was an insurrection, allegedly fueled and encouraged by the president of the United States, that caused control of the capitol to be lost for the first time since 1812. This could be the greatest security breach in the history of the United States as a period of 3-4 hours insurgents had full access to the offices, network, computers, desks, and floor of both houses of US Capitol. If you believe that the President played a part in this, to now say, "no harm, no foul" would be a dereliction of duty. It would set a precedent that any losing President could attempt a coup against the US and the only two outcomes are: 1. It is successful and he remains in power or 2. it fails and there really is no penalty. An acknowledgement that this is not normal and should not be accepted by either party is needed, if for nothing more to show future generations that what happened on January 6 should never happen again. Or, if members of the Senate believe the action of the President leading up to the insurrection were fine, then they should be forced to put that vote on the record for all of history.

Finally, the Senate is more than capable to walk and chew gum at the same time.

Mrs. Garrett · 01-26-2021, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by boozehound

Regardless of the constitutional standing: Does anybody actually think we should be bothering to impeach Trump at this point? If so, why?

The only way I could see it having any value is if Mitch wants Trump out of the picture and is willing to play ball on a speedy trial followed by conviction and barring from future office. That's pretty clearly not the case, which makes this all a waste of time and effort.

It would seem like there are much better things that Congress could be working on right now than a second impeachment. Pandemic response. Economic recovery plan. Confirming key government appointees. I understand that people want there to be consequences for the coup attempt, but if you have been following the news there kind of all ready have been. The Trump's are pariahs to most of civilized society. They are losing business partners left and right. Their brand is tremendously devalued. Let's just leave it at that and move on.

I think it's a waste of time. Most in the Senate have probably made up their mind without hearing any evidence. Unfortunately it is about party instead of country.