Politics Thread

[Caf]

Who again are the Fascists?

Both when convenient. Lest we forget when unidentified feds took people in unmarked vans.

[Strange Brew]

Both when convenient. Lest we forget when unidentified feds took people in unmarked vans.

How do you know they were Feds if they didn’t ID themselves?

[paulxu]

Because the head of Homeland Security said they did.

[XU '11]

Well, then if you didn’t miss it, then stop lying and spewing misinformation. The link is also a big problem I have with “journalism” if there are no sources within that report. I haven’t read the report so I don’t know but I’m just assuming it is something like a “source within the White House or close to the president” which is a bunch of bs. Trump is an egomaniacal idiot, but I’m also tired of the incredibly biased media

The Business Insider article cites a NY Times article, and that Times article cites... nobody. Not even a nameless source.

"At least one Republican, Senator Lisa Murkowski, Republican of Alaska, followed Ms. Pelosi’s lead and told The Anchorage Daily News that she was considering leaving the Republican Party altogether because of Mr. Trump.

“I want him out,” she said. “He has caused enough damage.”

At the White House, Mr. Trump struck a defiant tone, insisting that he would remain a potent force in American politics as aides and allies abandoned him and his post-presidential prospects turned increasingly bleak. Behind closed doors, he made clear that he would not resign and expressed regret about releasing a video on Thursday committing to a peaceful transition of power and condemning the violence at the Capitol that he had egged on a day before."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/u...peachment.html

I mean, Trump acting that way wouldn't shock me but that article simply presents it as fact, as if the Times had a reporter in the room.

[Xville]

The Business Insider article cites a NY Times article, and that Times article cites... nobody. Not even a nameless source.

"At least one Republican, Senator Lisa Murkowski, Republican of Alaska, followed Ms. Pelosi’s lead and told The Anchorage Daily News that she was considering leaving the Republican Party altogether because of Mr. Trump.

“I want him out,” she said. “He has caused enough damage.”

At the White House, Mr. Trump struck a defiant tone, insisting that he would remain a potent force in American politics as aides and allies abandoned him and his post-presidential prospects turned increasingly bleak. Behind closed doors, he made clear that he would not resign and expressed regret about releasing a video on Thursday committing to a peaceful transition of power and condemning the violence at the Capitol that he had egged on a day before."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/u...peachment.html

I mean, Trump acting that way wouldn't shock me but that article simply presents it as fact, as if the Times had a reporter in the room.

That’s about what I expected. It’s sad that is what passes for journalism these days. Most of it is barely a step above Facebook

[X-band '01]

You said he didn’t condemn the violence, he did. That is spewing misinformation. Even if the report is true, which who the hell knows, he still condemned the violence, period.

He said he condemned it, but the only motivation for doing that was someone getting in his ear telling him that failing to do so would more likely than not result in him getting 25thed/impeached AND liable for federal criminal prosecution.

This is not nearly on the same level as what he would be facing in New York, which would have likely ended up with home confinement in Trump Tower or Mar-A-Lago or whatever home suits his ego. Even fixing a federal election might not have put him in a position for federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison, but sedition charges sure as hell will.

[Caf]

How do you know they were Feds if they didn’t ID themselves?

You are quite lame

[paulxu]

It's Sunday, so it seems appropriate to hear about a "Servant's Heart" from a fellow Catholic:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1348249481284874240

[boozehound]

Well, then if you didn’t miss it, then stop lying and spewing misinformation. The link is also a big problem I have with “journalism” if there are no sources within that report. I haven’t read the report so I don’t know but I’m just assuming it is something like a “source within the White House or close to the president” which is a bunch of bs. Trump is an egomaniacal idiot, but I’m also tired of the incredibly biased media

I assume it's unnamed sources who they can't identify because they wouldn't talk to the Times if they had to go 'on record', which isn't exactly a new phenomenon in journalism. It's up to the news outlet to vet their source, as they are essentially putting their credibility on the line when they report 'news' from unnamed sources. That has been happening for like 100 years.

I don't know that I think that the New York Times just straight-up made that shit up, so I think they are probably getting (at least mostly) accurate information from their source. Of course I don't know that for sure. I assume that someone who was there told them that Trump said that shit. He probably did. Then he probably said something contradictory 5 minutes later. That all seems wildly on brand for him, and also relatively inconsequential. Just like I didn't really think much of his hostage video in which he condemned the violence, I also don't think much about him allegedly saying he regrets it.

I'm sure Donald Trump is absolutely reeling right now. His playbook that has been very effective for the past 4+ years is starting to fall apart around him, and remarkably quickly. As soon as the votes were counted in Georgia the Republican establishment was done with him. They had played along for the last 4 years to advance their agenda, but he can probably only hurt them at this point. His twitter account has been deleted. He just lost the 2022 PGA Championship. I imagine he thought he would film some half-assed video speaking out against violence and this would all blow over like it always does. It's not blowing over this time. As a result I'm sure he is apoplectic and going 'scorched earth' (at least rhetorically) on everyone he feels have wronged him. Potentially all he has left at the end of this are his crazy cult members, and he just went on video condemning them.

What would be breaking news for me would be if Donald Trump was genuinely contrite.

[paulxu]

Another anonymous source, this one from the FBI:

An internal FBI bulletin warned
“Armed protests are being planned at all 50 state capitols from 16 January through at least 20 January, and at the U.S. Capitol from 17 January through 20 January,” the bulletin said, according to one official. The officials were not authorized to speak publicly and spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity.

I sure hope this doesn't happen.