Politics Thread

[paulxu]

He said he didn’t flip in which the prosecutors tried to get him to do. He did not say I lied for him. Again, he was not charged with lying to Congress to protect Trump.

I believe he was convicted of lying to Congress. I'm curious as to why you believe he lied to the Republican led committee, if it wasn't to protect Trump.

[X-man]

I believe he was convicted of lying to Congress. I'm curious as to why you believe he lied to the Republican led committee, if it wasn't to protect Trump.

Especially given the fact that he admitted doing just that. Here is the "confession" from the WaPo article I cited in post #6377 above.

"Stone, in fact, said the corrupt part out loud, in a conversation with NBC’s Howard Fineman shortly before Trump’s announcement. “He knows I was under enormous pressure to turn on him,” Stone told Fineman. “It would have eased my situation considerably. But I didn’t.” "

[Masterofreality]

Actually, Stone said the opposite. See: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...p-roger-stone/.

Stone was alleged to have lied about discussing WikiLeaks; that’s why he was charged only with process crimes, despite all of the heavy breathing about collusion in Mueller’s indictment of Stone. Weissman & Co. did not come close to proving that he or Trump had anything to do with the hacking of Democratic Party emails by Russia or by anyone else.

And, by the way, Trump didn't "Pardon" Stone unlike Billy Clinton did with Marc Rich. he only commuted his sentence. Stone still has a Felony on his record, but it is being appealed.

Anything the Washington Post prints now has to be looked at as coming through a very biased eye. It's become 100% yellow journalism.

[STL_XUfan]

Stone was alleged to have lied about discussing WikiLeaks; that’s why he was charged only with process crimes, despite all of the heavy breathing about collusion in Mueller’s indictment of Stone. Weissman & Co. did not come close to proving that he or Trump had anything to do with the hacking of Democratic Party emails by Russia or by anyone else.

The word you are looking for is convicted. (and yes I did pay the PACER fee just to double check)

[X-man]

Stone was alleged to have lied about discussing WikiLeaks; that’s why he was charged only with process crimes, despite all of the heavy breathing about collusion in Mueller’s indictment of Stone. Weissman & Co. did not come close to proving that he or Trump had anything to do with the hacking of Democratic Party emails by Russia or by anyone else.

And, by the way, Trump didn't "Pardon" Stone unlike Billy Clinton did with Marc Rich. he only commuted his sentence. Stone still has a Felony on his record, but it is being appealed.

Anything the Washington Post prints now has to be looked at as coming through a very biased eye. It's become 100% yellow journalism.

Even a direct quote by your pal, Stone?

[boozehound]

Barr has been vocal about Trump’s involvement in the Stone case. Obama was not right and neither is Trump here, both deserve to be called out:To me, Trump was clearly the lesser of two evils but it amazes me that people justify his behavior just because the alternative was worse.
We now enter another election with 2 horrible candidates and will have another 4 miserable years with someone who is not qualified to lead the country. We are getting what we deserve for not demanding better of our elected leaders and allowing self serving incompetent politicians to run the country,

I agree with this, although I don't think Trump is ever the lesser of two evils.

The fact that even William Barr is against commuting Stone's sentence should say a lot and give pause to all but a core group of people who have bestowed Trump with an infallibility second only to God and the Pope.

[noteggs]

The word you are looking for is convicted. (and yes I did pay the PACER fee just to double check)

I’m glad you posted this because it makes my point that Stone wasn’t charged with lying to Congress to protect Trump. Could you imagine the news coverage back in November? At least a couple of weeks while giving the Democrats more fuel for their impeachment hearing.

I get your point on the word convicted. However as it stands today, MOR is technically correct on using alleged and how the law is interpreted. Stone could still win his appeal. From the article I posted.

“Stone is appealing his convictions. Weissmann, a longtime prosecutor who is intimately familiar with the appellate process, has to know that because Trump did not pardon Stone, the case is still on direct appeal. That means the convictions are not final as a matter of law.”

[bjf123]

Barr has been vocal about Trump’s involvement in the Stone case. Obama was not right and neither is Trump here, both deserve to be called out:To me, Trump was clearly the lesser of two evils but it amazes me that people justify his behavior just because the alternative was worse.

You’re right. Both need to be called out. However, I don’t remember the media being apoplectic over Obama’s pardons. That’s the issue a lot of us have. If a Democratic President commutes the sentence of someone for exactly the same thing as happened in this case, the spin would be very different.


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[paulxu]

I’m glad you posted this because it makes my point that Stone wasn’t charged with lying to Congress to protect Trump.

Judge Jackson also said Stone "was not prosecuted for standing up for the president, he was prosecuted for covering up for the president".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51580160

[boozehound]

You’re right. Both need to be called out. However, I don’t remember the media being apoplectic over Obama’s pardons. That’s the issue a lot of us have. If a Democratic President commutes the sentence of someone for exactly the same thing as happened in this case, the spin would be very different.


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Fine, but right now this is what's happening and can potentially be addressed with regards to President 'drain the swamp'.

I never stop being amazed at the impact Trump has had on Republicans. He is turned them into an even bigger bunch of whiners than the Democrats, which I didn't think possible. There is no principle you can't abandon if your only standard for doing so is be able to convince yourself that the opposing side has done something as bad or worse.

All for Donald freaking Trump. Lord help us.