Politics Thread

[Smails]

I applaud your efforts, but it is useless. When you already know everything about everything, as MOR does, no other information is relevant unless it supports what you already know to be true. If such information is contrary to what you know, it is fake news and must come from the vast conspiracy of people out to get your fearless leader. Any facts or evidence supporting such fake news is simply more evidence of the conspiracy, and the purveyor of such facts is clearly a leftist/pinko/snowflake (pick a derogatory term) who cannot be trusted. No need to consider sources or the quality of data because it's false on the face of it, and therefore deserves only a Large Eye Roll.

What are your thoughts on the Flynn situation? Do you think he should be in prison? Do you feel the actions of our intelligence community were above board in this matter? Do you have anything to contribute to this topic besides slow-witted jabs?

[GoMuskies]

I just don't see how anyone can believe that anything Page and/or Strzok were involved in could have been handled fairly.

[X-man]

What are your thoughts on the Flynn situation? Do you think he should be in prison? Do you feel the actions of our intelligence community were above board in this matter? Do you have anything to contribute to this topic besides slow-witted jabs?

What is clear is that (1) Flynn did have discussions with the Russians in violation of the Brady Act, (2) he lied about it, and (3) he admitted that he lied about it. Whether such behavior merited prosecution (given the Brady Act enforcement history) and/or jail is an open question. But it surely isn't totally unreasonable to be concerned as to whether he represented a security risk given his actions.

So this is my "contribution" to complement all my "slow-witted jabs", something that you at least must appreciate given how you characterize my post.

[boozehound]

I just don't see how anyone can believe that anything Page and/or Strzok were involved in could have been handled fairly.

Fair, and probably means that throwing out a conviction would be warranted based on the nature of the communication that we have seen, but I'm also not sure there is clear evidence that they fabricated anything even if there is clear information around their bias.

It never ceases to amuse me that we have a group of people who are absolutely appalled that this completely innocent man is being dragged through the mud arguing with another group that thinks he is completely guilty with neither side considering what seems to me to be the most likely option: He did some shit he shouldn't have done, but probably something that plenty of others have done before. He then got caught by people who happened to think that the Trump administration (and by either direct or indirect extension Flynn) are a bunch of jerkoffs that they would like to see get caught doing something.

Generally when the organizations you lead are 'out to get you' it can be a good indicator that you are a shitty leader.

[Masterofreality]

Generally when the organizations you lead are 'out to get you' it can be a good indicator that you are a shitty leader.

Ya know. I don't know which "Leaders" you are referring to here- Comey or Trump, but generally "Leaders" are at least given the chance to get through their Inauguration before they are deemed to be shitty leaders, but apparently not in this case.

Check the time frame of these occurances, Brother.

[Muskie in dayton]

Ya know. I don't know which "Leaders" you are referring to here- Comey or Trump, but generally "Leaders" are at least given the chance to get through their Inauguration before they are deemed to be shitty leaders, but apparently not in this case.

Check the time frame of these occurances, Brother.

Agreed. Same thing happened to Obama. Partisanship is destroying the country. People need to stop being Democrats or Republicans, and start being Americans first.

[xudash]

Fair, and probably means that throwing out a conviction would be warranted based on the nature of the communication that we have seen, but I'm also not sure there is clear evidence that they fabricated anything even if there is clear information around their bias.

It never ceases to amuse me that we have a group of people who are absolutely appalled that this completely innocent man is being dragged through the mud arguing with another group that thinks he is completely guilty with neither side considering what seems to me to be the most likely option: He did some shit he shouldn't have done, but probably something that plenty of others have done before. He then got caught by people who happened to think that the Trump administration (and by either direct or indirect extension Flynn) are a bunch of jerkoffs that they would like to see get caught doing something.

Generally when the organizations you lead are 'out to get you' it can be a good indicator that you are a shitty leader.

Or that you're an effective leader and that your policies and actions are a direct threat to certain "organizations" unethical practices.

[Mrs. Garrett]

Ya know. I don't know which "Leaders" you are referring to here- Comey or Trump, but generally "Leaders" are at least given the chance to get through their Inauguration before they are deemed to be shitty leaders, but apparently not in this case.

Check the time frame of these occurances, Brother.

I had a pretty good idea he was a shitty leader based on the multiple bankruptcies his companies have filed for prior to his becoming President.

The only thing he was really good as was self-promotion and reality television.

Congratulations on buying into the con.

[paulxu]

Paul, why did the FBI not share the transcripts with Flynn or allow him to have counsel present?
Below are Direct quotes from the DOJ motion to drop Flynn charges.
This is not “Know It All MOR”. These are facts.
Typical Leftist Name Calling, deflection and finger pointing on your part when you have zero defense.

Clearly you never read anything I provide. That's OK I guess.
But for reference purposes to your question, Barr's DOJ has still not provided Flynn the complete transcripts. There's probably a good reason.
It was established, and Barr's DOJ defended as late as last Nov. that the guilty pleas of Flynn were proper. Now he's changed his mind.

I don't believe I've ever called you a name as you suggest. Can you quote me where I have? Apologies in advance if I did and don't remember.

As to the position I take, it's not leftist or rightist, it's hopefully on the side of the rule of law. I am concerned Barr is not following it.

I am joined in my concern by 2100+ and counting former Federal Judges, Inspector Generals, District Attorneys and staff of all levels.
These are former career DOJ people who served both parties across decades of our recent history.
If you read nothing else I note to your attention, please read their letter:

https://medium.com/@dojalumni/doj-al...e-7c38a9a945b9

[boozehound]

Ya know. I don't know which "Leaders" you are referring to here- Comey or Trump, but generally "Leaders" are at least given the chance to get through their Inauguration before they are deemed to be shitty leaders, but apparently not in this case.

Check the time frame of these occurances, Brother.

I disagree. Your resume as a leader follows you throughout your life and career. It's why your leadership brand is important. People want to follow good leaders and they avoid bad leaders. Good leaders deliver great results for two reasons: (1) They lead with principles and make good decisions more often then not (and quickly identify and correct bad decisions) and (2) they motivate and attract the best talent.

Agreed. Same thing happened to Obama. Partisanship is destroying the country. People need to stop being Democrats or Republicans, and start being Americans first.

Thank you! For example: If you think months of Benghazi trials were completely justified, but then also think that investigating Flynn is a 'witch hunt' I don't understand how your decision making process works. I guess you just turn on Fox in the morning and let them tell you what you think.

Or that you're an effective leader and that your policies and actions are a direct threat to certain "organizations" unethical practices.

Riiiighhht.