Politics Thread

[Xville]

If Trump were a democrat he wouldn't of even had enough support to make it to the first debate. Democrats would have gotten the joke from " Back to the Future Part II".

Lol with the list of democrats that made it thru the first debate this go around, that's a hysterical statement.

[Blue Blooded-05]

It's funny that people think a guy might be Biden's VP candidate. There's 0 chance of that happening because the DNC won't let it happen. There was also no way anyone other than Biden was getting the nomination once he decided to run. Is there someone behind door number 3 that will magically appear before this election so that the 2 stinky piles of s**t currently in the running aren't the only options?

I don’t know how much I believe this talk about how the DNC REALLY makes their decisions behind some mythical door. If this were true, they should have run Hillary in 2008 and saved Obama (hard to believe he’s still only 58) for 2016.

Objectively speaking, no Republican was winning in 2008. The inevitable economic recovery by 2012 would have likely propelled Hillary to reelection and Obama is just too polished to have lost in 2016 or 2020. They missed the opportunity of 16 years of Presidential power.

If the DNC really is being manipulated by a small number of influential people, they really aren’t very good at their jobs.

[boozehound]

The thing is, if Trump were democrat, which he was for a good part of his life, you and the other democrat supporters would love him. It's how it is for people that follow politics, they are in it for what letter follows someones name. It's why I hate politics and most politicians. Every President in my lifetime had flaws and did stupid shit, but democrats stick up for democrats and Republicans stick up for Republicans. Not everyone, but a huge majority of voters. Its all a bunch of bullshit.

The main thing I do like about Trump though is that he is not a politician. You get me a democrat that is not about being a politician than maybe I will vote for him or her. I don't want to vote for someone just because they are politically correct and talk about how horrible Donald is. Give me a reason other than the BS. Tell me how you will keep the economy growing, how you are going to increase jobs, how you will stop the BS of trying to make everything about race, how you are going to stop trying to act like people that make an average living are rich, how are you going to promote and grow small business. I don't want to hear about the other persons personality and what they have done that is so bad, tell me what you can do for me. As for Trump, aside for him saying really stupid things and being politically incorrect, his plan is actually a net positive for the country. If he were polished, the coming election would be a slam dunk in his favor.

Honestly I think this whole post sounds like partisan nonsense. Speculating that Democrats would love Trump if he was a Democrat? I honestly don't know where to go with that. There's no real supporting argument or example I've also highlighted some passages (bold) that I think are code for "Trump says things that I secretly agree with but won't admit to because I don't want to be called racist / sexist / xenophobic".

I also think it takes a pretty tilted view of our current situation to think that 2020 would be a 'slam dunk' for Trump if he was more polished. We are in the middle of a Pandemic and the economy is falling apart. Those types of things generally aren't a great recipe for re-election even if you aren't a clear moron.

For the record: I'm not a Democrat. I'm probably about as independent as it gets. Here is my voting history (in Presidential elections) for anyone who may be interested I how I think about political choices. If you don't care, that's fine too!

2000: Ralph Nader - Yep. I was 18 years old. I didn't care a ton about politics. I didn't really like Bush or Gore, but I did really like smoking pot, so Nader was my candidate!

2004: Bush. I was still pretty young at 22, but I generally thought Bush did a decent job post-911. The economy was booming. Things seemed to generally be going very well. I typically vote based on the economy, so this was an easy choice.

2008: Obama. This was a tough one for me because I had really liked the pre-campaign John McCain when he used to go on the Daily Show and debate Jon Stewart. I really hated the whole Sarah Palin "playing to the lowest common denominator" VP pick which is probably what pushed me over the edge. I also felt that Obama had the most complete plan for helping the working / middle class post-recession.

2012: Romney - This was actually the candidate that I had liked the most in quite a few election cycles. He had executive experience and a history of being a Republican Governor in a liberal state. I also thought he had some good economic ideas / policies. As a pragmatist I love the idea of someone who can drive some compromise and hopefully get some things done. Unfortunately he got caught on a hot mic saying some (true) things at a donor dinner and that was it for him.

2016: Clinton - This was easy. I hated Trump and thought he was literally the worst candidate out of the entire field (both sides of the aisle) excluding Jill Stein. To me Trump combined the worst qualities of the Democrats (spending too much money that we don't have on social programs) with the worst qualities of the Republicans (socially draconian, excessively pro-gun, spending too much money that we don't have on military and tax cuts), with some of the worse qualities that a human can have (complete lack of empathy, almost pathological lying)

[GoMuskies]

If the DNC really is being manipulated by a small number of influential people, they really aren’t very good at their jobs.

I think that's pretty clear.

[Xville]

I don’t know how much I believe this talk about how the DNC REALLY makes their decisions behind some mythical door. If this were true, they should have run Hillary in 2008 and saved Obama (hard to believe he’s still only 58) for 2016.

Objectively speaking, no Republican was winning in 2008. The inevitable economic recovery by 2012 would have likely propelled Hillary to reelection and Obama is just too polished to have lost in 2016 or 2020. They missed the opportunity of 16 years of Presidential power.

If the DNC really is being manipulated by a small number of influential people, they really aren’t very good at their jobs.

No republican would have won in 08, except had Hillary been the democratic nominee. The only reason she performed as well as she did, is because she ran against the Donald.

[sgarcia]

I don’t know how much I believe this talk about how the DNC REALLY makes their decisions behind some mythical door. If this were true, they should have run Hillary in 2008 and saved Obama (hard to believe he’s still only 58) for 2016.

Objectively speaking, no Republican was winning in 2008. The inevitable economic recovery by 2012 would have likely propelled Hillary to reelection and Obama is just too polished to have lost in 2016 or 2020. They missed the opportunity of 16 years of Presidential power.

If the DNC really is being manipulated by a small number of influential people, they really aren’t very good at their jobs.

Blue,
My point wasn't for who should've run in a certain year. It was more of seeing who declares to run for the nomination and then doing whatever it takes for a specific person to get the nomination. Bernie was never in a million years getting the nomination in 2016 or 2020 regardless of what any of us think of his politics.

[boozehound]

I think that's pretty clear.

I also think that the Democrats are dealing with a problem right now similar to what the Republicans went through when the 'Tea Party' was around. They have a relatively large fringe movement that they didn't know how to deal with in this whole woke / Bernie / Socialist thing. They don't want to disenfranchise them and risk having them not show up to the polls, however the policies they are espousing are far too extreme to actually get anyone from that sect elected President.

[Mrs. Garrett]

Lol with the list of democrats that made it thru the first debate this go around, that's a hysterical statement.

Lol - Everyone is better than Trump

[Xville]

Lol - Everyone is better than Trump

That wasn't my point.

[X-man]

The thing is, if Trump were democrat, which he was for a good part of his life, you and the other democrat supporters would love him. It's how it is for people that follow politics, they are in it for what letter follows someones name. It's why I hate politics and most politicians. Every President in my lifetime had flaws and did stupid shit, but democrats stick up for democrats and Republicans stick up for Republicans. Not everyone, but a huge majority of voters. Its all a bunch of bullshit.

The main thing I do like about Trump though is that he is not a politician. You get me a democrat that is not about being a politician than maybe I will vote for him or her. I don't want to vote for someone just because they are politically correct and talk about how horrible Donald is. Give me a reason other than the BS. Tell me how you will keep the economy growing, how you are going to increase jobs, how you will stop the BS of trying to make everything about race, how you are going to stop trying to act like people that make an average living are rich, how are you going to promote and grow small business. I don't want to hear about the other persons personality and what they have done that is so bad, tell me what you can do for me. As for Trump, aside for him saying really stupid things and being politically incorrect, his plan is actually a net positive for the country. If he were polished, the coming election would be a slam dunk in his favor.

Those are fighting words. Don't you DARE claim that I, a Democrat, would EVER support that narcissistic moron.