Politics Thread

[chico]

Trump committed a Flagrant 1.

[X-band '01]

That’s my take, too. I think they added things up the first time and said “Shit! Bernie won in a landslide. We can’t let that out.”


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Could you imagine the backlash from the far left if he gets colluded against......again. What a shi# show

More like the robots running the DNC weren't programmed to consider Brad Stevens, err, Pete Buttigieg winning the caucus.

[Muskie in dayton]

Wow.

Your "damning evidence" was false and illegal.

Schiff ran a corrupt process in the House and paid for it. Witnesses weren't called because they were not going to add anything new to the proceedings. And it wasn't the Senate's job to clean-up the House's blundered escapade.

You are right about the Democrats attempting to weaken our democracy through a sham impeachment process. BTW, it has been announced that the Senate will investigate the Ukraine whistleblower, the Bidens, and FISA warrant abuse, following the conclusion of President Donald Trump's impeachment trial.

First sentence: I'm referring to what Bolton, Pompeo, or other "Trump guys" would have had to say under oath. Not sure what you are referring to.

Second paragraph: That's a nice Republican narrative you're parroting there. The only way to get Trump's guys to testify is if they issued a formal subpoena during the trial. Trump would have tied up in court any attempts to do so during the House investigation. You know that.

I agree with you that Biden is corrupt. I wish he would have gone down and hope he still does. But I will say his corruption is a lot less damaging to the country and our democracy than what Trump did. And don't tell me he didn't do anything wrong - if

you're OK with the President trying to get a foreign leader to say something bad about his rival, than you are OK with undermining democracy. I'm not.

Let me ask you this. If (when) a Democratic president pulls this shit in a couple years, will you still say it's OK?

[X-band '01]

That’s my take, too. I think they added things up the first time and said “Shit! Bernie won in a landslide. We can’t let that out.”


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Could you imagine the backlash from the far left if he gets colluded against......again. What a shi# show

I agree that leveraging a foreign country for dirt on a political rival is not okay. Having said that, I think lots of presidents (and people in general) have done things that were not okay, but those things aren't so egregious that they require a nuclear response. Impeachment was overkill. And even if it wasn't (which it was) it was doomed to fail. And....it did. I think even most Republican senators feel that what he did was wrong, but that it wasn't so wrong that he should be removed from office for it. And, I actually agree with them.

Republicans are normally a lot smarter about these kinds of things, but if I were advising the Republican Party, I would have actually encouraged them to call witnesses. Two reasons: 1) Nothing any of the witnesses would have said would have made any difference. He was not going to be removed, and 2) This is a little more sinister, but it would have actually kept the Democratic frontrunners off of the campaign trail for longer.

Instead, it gave the dems the card of being able to say "They're trying to obstruct justice!!" Had they called witnesses, they would have still won, and the dems would not be able to make that claim. At least not as solidly as they can now.

This was probably for similar reasons as to why they didn't call witness in the House (and no, Republicans, let's not act like Trump was completely denied due process) - they didn't want to even so much as acknowledge that there was a trial or any wrongdoing to begin win.

Privately, Democrats are probably happy that witnesses weren't called - you likely would have seen Hunter Biden and Adam Schiff being called to testify along with John Bolton and other GOP cabinet members.

[xudash]

First sentence: I'm referring to what Bolton, Pompeo, or other "Trump guys" would have had to say under oath. Not sure what you are referring to.

Second paragraph: That's a nice Republican narrative you're parroting there. The only way to get Trump's guys to testify is if they issued a formal subpoena during the trial. Trump would have tied up in court any attempts to do so during the House investigation. You know that.

I agree with you that Biden is corrupt. I wish he would have gone down and hope he still does. But I will say his corruption is a lot less damaging to the country and our democracy than what Trump did. And don't tell me he didn't do anything wrong - if

you're OK with the President trying to get a foreign leader to say something bad about his rival, than you are OK with undermining democracy. I'm not.

Let me ask you this. If (when) a Democratic president pulls this shit in a couple years, will you still say it's OK?

Well, I wouldn’t count on it taking place in a couple of years.

What part of the well documented response from the Ukrainian president don’t you get?

[scoscox]

you're OK with the President trying to get a foreign leader to say something bad about his rival, than you are OK with undermining democracy. I'm not.

Let me ask you this. If (when) a Democratic president pulls this shit in a couple years, will you still say it's OK?

you keep saying this but this didn't happen. why do you continue to say it?

[Muskie in dayton]

Well, I wouldn’t count on it taking place in a couple of years.

What part of the well documented response from the Ukrainian president don’t you get?

What part of the Ukraine President had reason to lie don’t you get? What part of the phone transcript don’t you get?

[Muskie in dayton]

you keep saying this but this didn't happen. why do you continue to say it?

Well there’s the phone call transcript...

We’ve had this discussion before. Last time it ended with you telling me that Biden is not even a political rival. Recall?

[xudash]

What part of the Ukraine President had reason to lie don’t you get? What part of the phone transcript don’t you get?

You were in the room!

What part of aid was held up for multiple countries, not just Ukraine don’t you get?

What part of the aid being released with no conditions and Ukraine taking no investigative action don’t you get?

I get it. You hate Trump. But you are highly likely to have five more years of him as he pursues actions and legislation that is favorable to the United States.

[bjf123]

I appreciate the Big East scheduling tonight’s X game at the same time as the State of the Union address. Makes it easy to keep my streak alive of not watching one political party sit on their hands while the other cheers, regardless of what’s being said.


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