Politics Thread

[GoMuskies]

They lost to Donald Trump, and will likely lose again despite the fact that he's been a non-stop clown show. His argument was that anything he may have done that was unethical or illegal as president is actually legal so long as he believes it's in the best interest of the nation. AND IT SUCCEEDED!! That is how dumb the collective leadership is. The Dems can't even win against a guy like that!!

Frankly, after last night I'm going to give Alan Dershowitz's argument another hearing. He may have been on to something.

[xubrew]

I will back any candidate that isn't a moron and that doesn't view the constitution and the rules of the land as obstacles they must overcome in order to accomplish their selfish objectives. Does that person exist?

[94GRAD]

The Democrats are like that basketball team that you want to play against when your team is in a slump. You see them coming up on the schedule, and you just breathe a little easier.

They lost to Donald Trump, and will likely lose again despite the fact that he's been a non-stop clown show. His argument was that anything he may have done that was unethical or illegal as president is actually legal so long as he believes it's in the best interest of the nation. AND IT SUCCEEDED!! That is how dumb the collective leadership is. The Dems can't even win against a guy like that!!

Costanza logic never fails!

[xubrew]

Costanza logic never fails!

I think I'd prefer Constanza. He wouldn't do anything. Others would have to do his job for him. That would be an upgrade!

[scoscox]

I will back any candidate that isn't a moron and that doesn't view the constitution and the rules of the land as obstacles they must overcome in order to accomplish their selfish objectives. Does that person exist?

No

[xubrew]

I feel like I said a time or two on here that impeachment was an idiotic move by the Democrats.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/284156/...onal-best.aspx

Do I think Trump is a crappy president? Yes

Do I want him out of office? Yes

Do I think what he did in Ukraine was wrong? Yes

Do I think that this particular incident was so wrong that it rose to the level of being impeachable and that he should be removed for it? Hell no.

Did the Dems really screw this up? I think that they did. When you want to fire someone when simply admonishing them is probably sufficient enough, then you come off as looking like an agenda driven asshole. And, that's what a lot of people are going to take away from this. On top of that, they had no chance of succeeding. He was not going to be removed. So, all they really did is push more people away.

[Caf]

Do I think Trump is a crappy president? Yes

Do I want him out of office? Yes

Do I think what he did in Ukraine was wrong? Yes

Do I think that this particular incident was so wrong that it rose to the level of being impeachable and that he should be removed for it? Hell no.

Did the Dems really screw this up? I think that they did. When you want to fire someone when simply admonishing them is probably sufficient enough, then you come off as looking like an agenda driven asshole. And, that's what a lot of people are going to take away from this. On top of that, they had no chance of succeeding. He was not going to be removed. So, all they really did is push more people away.

I think they would have faced significant blow-back from the Dem base if they didn't make an impeachment effort at some point. Pelosi pushed back for way too long in the eyes of a lot of Democratic voters.

[xubrew]

I think they would have faced significant blow-back from the Dem base if they didn't make an impeachment effort at some point. Pelosi pushed back for way too long in the eyes of a lot of Democratic voters.

You're probably right, and that's part of the problem.

If you're getting pressure from your base to make a movement toward impeachment regardless of whether or not what he's done rises to the level of being impeachable, then that's a shitty base. That will cause you to do something like...say...moving to impeach when you shouldn't have and have no chance in the world of removing him. Which is basically what happened.

To me, this is another reason why the Democrats, at least from a strategic standpoint, are not organized the way that they need to be in order to win the next election. They probably won't win the next election.

[Caf]

You're probably right, and that's part of the problem.

If you're getting pressure from your base to make a movement toward impeachment regardless of whether or not what he's done rises to the level of being impeachable, then that's a shitty base. That will cause you to do something like...say...moving to impeach when you shouldn't have and have no chance in the world of removing him. Which is basically what happened.

To me, this is another reason why the Democrats, at least from a strategic standpoint, are not organized the way that they need to be in order to win the next election. They probably won't win the next election.

I don't agree with AOC often, but she recently said it's crazy her and Joe Biden are in the same party and she's right. The GOP has a wide tent, but the Democrats have a disagreement on capitalism in their tent. You can't possibly have a concise direction or policy with that reality. I wish the AOC's and Sanders of the world would just lean into their beliefs and split off.

[xudash]

I don't agree with AOC often, but she recently said it's crazy her and Joe Biden are in the same party and she's right. The GOP has a wide tent, but the Democrats have a disagreement on capitalism in their tent. You can't possibly have a concise direction or policy with that reality. I wish the AOC's and Sanders of the world would just lean into their beliefs and split off.

Couldn't agree more.

They are socialists, at the very least.

Once upon a time, Washington mostly got along, in the sense that they found ways to work together to accomplish legislation. They got along because there were no or limited extreme fringes left or right.

Not now. The Far Left wants to redefine America. It would be better for the country if Bernie, AOC, et al were isolated in their own party, which would bring more clarity to their lunacy.