Politics Thread

[Masterofreality]

Aww, you think fracking is killing the planet. That's cute.

Laugh......Out....Loud!!!!

[ArizonaXUGrad]

So, not only did you miss the humor in that post, but you thought it was a good idea to attempt to respond with a lame explanation of what is nothing more than your view on where these media outlets sit on the political spectrum?

Mediabias.com...I think you or someone else has posted link to that site before.

[GoMuskies]

Mediabias.com...I think you or someone else has posted link to that site before.

ChicagoX posted it earlier. I was thinking of reposting it yesterday after that exchange. I did check it, and it listed NPR closer to the center than Fox. I think it was TOO close to the center, but I certainly agree that it's closer than Fox. I also agree that it's much higher quality than Fox. I enjoy NPR even if I need to give it the occasional eye roll.

[ChicagoX]

ChicagoX posted it earlier. I was thinking of reposting it yesterday after that exchange. I did check it, and it listed NPR closer to the center than Fox. I think it was TOO close to the center, but I certainly agree that it's closer than Fox. I also agree that it's much higher quality than Fox. I enjoy NPR even if I need to give it the occasional eye roll.

Media bias chart

CNN bias chart by program

FOX News bias chart by program

MSNBC chart by program

The full site with more info on their rankings: https://www.adfontesmedia.com/

[ArizonaXUGrad]

ChicagoX posted it earlier. I was thinking of reposting it yesterday after that exchange. I did check it, and it listed NPR closer to the center than Fox. I think it was TOO close to the center, but I certainly agree that it's closer than Fox. I also agree that it's much higher quality than Fox. I enjoy NPR even if I need to give it the occasional eye roll.

I actually watch Fox, I won't call it news because most of it is not actually news but opinion pieces. I am absolutely blown away at how poor they are. I don't know if there is a true journalist in the bunch.

[ChicagoX]

I actually watch Fox, I won't call it news because most of it is not actually news but opinion pieces. I am absolutely blown away at how poor they are. I don't know if there is a true journalist in the bunch.

Shepard Smith might be the only one who actually reports real news instead of non-stop opinion pieces. Cable news is toxic. It dulls critical thinking skills by herding viewers into their echo chambers.

[bjf123]

Shepard Smith might be the only one who actually reports real news instead of non-stop opinion pieces. Cable news is toxic. It dulls critical thinking skills by herding viewers into their echo chambers.

I think Bret Baier does a good job on Fox, along with Shepard Smith, though Smith sometimes takes himself too seriously. I think Wolf Blitzer on CNN is decent. Most of the rest on both networks are essentially talk show hosts with a specific political leaning. Unfortunately, too many people take what’s presented on the opinion shows as factual, unbiased, news.


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[noteggs]

Media bias chart

CNN bias chart by program

FOX News bias chart by program

MSNBC chart by program

The full site with more info on their rankings: https://www.adfontesmedia.com/

I thought this was really interesting the first time you sent. Did a little digging on who produced the original chart. The young lady states she’s a moderate-liberal. Ok maybe she can be somewhat unbiased. But she kind of lost me when I read her bio (did appreciate her transparency on her website).

“I’m a registered Democrat. My parents are immigrants from the Philippines (and U.S. citizens). I was born and raised in liberal Southern California. I have voted for the Democratic candidate for president in every election I have been eligible to vote. My dad has always been a progressive and he was the one who talked to me about politics when I was young. I went to UCLA. I’m just barely a millennial (born in 1981). I’m a woman. I’m a lesbian.”

Bottom line - it’s so hard for people to not have a personal bias since we all have an inherent bias within us.

[bjf123]

I wish I could find it now, but I remember seeing a study a university did on the coverage of either the Obama McCain presidential race in 2008 or Obama Romney in 2012 (I think it was McCain). They looked at all news stories presented by the major news networks, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC. It did not include shows like Hannity, etc., that are clearly not news.

Stories were categorized as positive, neutral, or negative. Fox was pretty much dead even for both candidates. CNN was next, but skewed slightly with more positive stories on Obama and more negative stories on McCain. The 3 broadcast networks were a little more biased in favor of Obama. MSNBC was clearly the worst, with few negative stories on Obama, and few positive stories on McCain.

I’m sure the same study today would return very different results.


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[Caf]

I thought this was really interesting the first time you sent. Did a little digging on who produced the original chart. The young lady states she’s a moderate-liberal. Ok maybe she can be somewhat unbiased. But she kind of lost me when I read her bio (did appreciate her transparency on her website).

“I’m a registered Democrat. My parents are immigrants from the Philippines (and U.S. citizens). I was born and raised in liberal Southern California. I have voted for the Democratic candidate for president in every election I have been eligible to vote. My dad has always been a progressive and he was the one who talked to me about politics when I was young. I went to UCLA. I’m just barely a millennial (born in 1981). I’m a woman. I’m a lesbian.”

Bottom line - it’s so hard for people to not have a personal bias since we all have an inherent bias within us.

Do you disagree with what was produced? Below is a link to her criteria, start at, "Factors for Placing the News Sources on the Chart". The list of 17 is pretty interesting. I've never dug into this either, but it's seems fairly methodical.

Here are 2 I found very smart:

7. Whether the source actively differentiates between opinion and reporting pieces

A “yes” answer weighted sources heavily toward “mainstream/minimal partisan bias” and was a determinative factor in whether the source was categorized at least in part as “mainstream” or fell completely into “skews partisan.” For example, the Washington Post, New York Times, and Wall Street Journal all have labeled opinion sections, while MSNBC, FOX, and Vox do not.

8. Proportion of opinion pieces to reporting pieces

This measure is also quantifiable. Greater percentages of reporting pieces weighted heavily toward “mainstream” and somewhat toward the middle category of “meets high standards.

https://www.adfontesmedia.com/the-re...ind-the-chart/