Politics Thread

[Caf]

Ah yes, money in politics is noble and great as long as you support their causes.

[GenerationX]

Exactly my point. Calling him “evil” is hypocritical. As Arizona said, I don’t agree with everything he does, but it’s not all politically motivated. And in fact I hate that money has such a significant impact in politics.

[paulxu]

I'm sorry that our political discourse seems to have sunk to a pretty low level.
Certainly there were times in our country's history when the passions were just as inflamed, and that fades over time.
Hopefully this time will also. I can not imagine with our history of great presidents and leaders that this will be a high-water mark:

President Donald Trump told reporters Saturday that his decision to mock Christine Blasey Ford at a campaign rally had a “great impact” on Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh’s eventual confirmation.

He added separately that Kavanaugh’s nomination “started to sail through” after he mocked Blasey Ford.

I can't imagine what victims of sexual assault must feel knowing their president might mock them.

[GoMuskies]

Probably feels a lot like the Clinton years. At least no one got murdered. That's more the heyday of Camelot.

Really, the more things change the more they stay the same.

[paulxu]

I'm certainly not condoning any Clinton crap.

Just think a president shouldn't mock disabled people, republican opponents in debates, women who assert they are victims.

Call me old school. Just doesn't seem presidential.

[GoMuskies]

You'll get no argument from me about Trump being an asshat.

[Caf]

I think you'll have a pretty hard time finding a comparison for Trump in US history. No 2 Presidents are that alike, but none are as far from the mean as Trump. Especially in the modern era.

As far as the partisanship and polarization of the country, the 60s make today's division seem like child's play.

[scoscox]

As far as the partisanship and polarization of the country, the 60s make today's division seem like child's play.

Edit - Sorry, misread your post. Totally agree.

[boozehound]

Issue 1 in Ohio is his vision for America

Re the links: what part of me typing "it didn't take too much time to find" don't you understand. Those links were two of the first links that I popped up for giggles when I went looking for information on Soros.

Re what is moderate and what is far right conservatism, when were you installed as the overseer for that? Among other truly idiotic beliefs, Soros is a progressive through and through. Soros prefers the open society approach. From the Guardian:

Since 1987, Soros has published 14 books and a number of pieces in the New York Review of Books, New York Times and elsewhere. These texts make it clear that, like many on the centre-left who rose to prominence in the 1990s, Soros’s defining intellectual principle is his internationalism. For Soros, the goal of contemporary human existence is to establish a world defined not by sovereign states, but by a global community whose constituents understand that everyone shares an interest in freedom, equality and prosperity.

Soros is an Internationalist. He's a raging idealist, pathetically galloping after some form of global economic kumbaya. How do you pull that off in a world full of power hungry idiots that have established positions of power across the political spectrum? To tell you the truth, I wouldn't mind going down that road as a citizen of the leader of the free world if it weren't Mission Impossible. But it is Mission Impossible, and putting energy into forcing the United States to work against its own interests is not my cup of tea. I'm an American first, especially given global realities.

I believe i mentioned that Ford would end up with a book deal. Kinda meant it half-jokingly. Didn't say one word directly about who might fund it.

Re where all this stands with respect to their respective testimonies: I clearly stated that I believe he has come to look like the more credible of the two of them. I didn't say she lied about anything, per se. I didn't take the position that he is absolutely innocent. That's the problem with this monkey show - - someone decided to AT THIS TIME bring up accusations from events that occured over 3 decades ago at a time when the subjects were teenagers in high school. Sure, that's all going to end up on a productive track.

In hindsight, given what we know now, to the extent that Dr. Ford became adamant about the need to pursue these accusations, they absolutely should have been handled in a confidential manner and with a full and fair inquiry conducted. The Democrats absolutely and completely shit the bed on that part of this, but they had to do that in order to attempt to achieve their political agenda.

Holy shitballs, Batman. There is a lot to unpack here. I don't even know where to begin!

Your response to that was to you didn't search very hard? Would you let me get away with google searching 'the Koch Brothers are Evil' and they just posting the first two links from Huffington Post? I'm not the arbiter of what is far-right versus moderate, you can call yourself whatever the hell you want. There is, however, a generally agreed upon framework for the spectrum between liberal and conservative, and despite your declaration as a moderate, you seem to, at a minimum, get your news from the far end of the spectrum.

Most of this post consists of what appear to be excerpts from an op-ed in the Guardian, another famously conservative source. I also don't see how any of this really makes George Soros "Evil". Wrong perhaps, but Evil? Really? You want to decry the 'political circus' around Kavanaugh in one breath and then decry George Soros as Evil in the next? Do you not see the incongruity there?

Also, you didn't say one word 'directly' about who might fund it? Read back through the thread. You specifically made a comment about her estate being 'imbued' by Soros. I didn't just make that up. Its in writing like two pages back.

Look, it's your life and your worldview. You get to choose how you consume and process information, and whether you seek truth, or bias confirmation.

[Juice]

Holy shitballs, Batman. There is a lot to unpack here. I don't even know where to begin!

Your response to that was to you didn't search very hard? Would you let me get away with google searching 'the Koch Brothers are Evil' and they just posting the first two links from Huffington Post? I'm not the arbiter of what is far-right versus moderate, you can call yourself whatever the hell you want. There is, however, a generally agreed upon framework for the spectrum between liberal and conservative, and despite your declaration as a moderate, you seem to, at a minimum, get your news from the far end of the spectrum.

Most of this post consists of what appear to be excerpts from an op-ed in the Guardian, another famously conservative source. I also don't see how any of this really makes George Soros "Evil". Wrong perhaps, but Evil? Really? You want to decry the 'political circus' around Kavanaugh in one breath and then decry George Soros as Evil in the next? Do you not see the incongruity there?

Also, you didn't say one word 'directly' about who might fund it? Read back through the thread. You specifically made a comment about her estate being 'imbued' by Soros. I didn't just make that up. Its in writing like two pages back.

Look, it's your life and your worldview. You get to choose how you consume and process information, and whether you seek truth, or bias confirmation.

I guess I sort of included myself in your guys convo about him being evil. I don't think he's evil but I think his vision for America is very bad. So I cited Issue 1 as an example of how he wants to directly change the drug laws in Ohio via constitutional amendment, which is an insane way to accomplish that.