Politics Thread

[GoMuskies]

CBS is now saying Sen. Joe Manchin will vote yes on the nomination.

Well, of course he will. No need for him to lose his election, too.

But because of Murkowski, Daines will have to work the vote around his daughter's wedding. No way they're having him leave town when just one flipped vote can sink them.

[xudash]

You are claiming to be a moderate conservative, however your word choice suggests to me that you consume a lot of far-right media. Your links to the Chicago Tribune and (an opinion article from) the New York Post, corroborate that. Do you think an opinion article from the New York Post is a reliable source? Without using conservative op-ed articles, what is George Soros' "vision for the United States" and why is he "one evil SOB"? The conspiracy theories about Soros being some kind of evil mastermind are a level of far-right tinfoil-hat stuff that far surpasses 'moderate conservatism', IMO.

You also seem to be coming from a place of 100% certainty that Kavanaugh is innocent, which I'm not sure has been proven. There is a difference between there not being enough evidence to proceed with a case and a complete certainty of innocence.

You intimated in your initial post that somehow George Soros was going to transfer money to Dr. Ford in exchange for her bringing false charges against Kavanaugh. I do think she would go to jail for that. I do not think she would, or should, go to jail in the current state. Putting accusers in jail when their claims are not found to be without merit is an extremely slippery slope, and should only be done in clear cases of false accusations. I certainly don't see where there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Dr. Ford made a false accusation.

Re the links: what part of me typing "it didn't take too much time to find" don't you understand. Those links were two of the first links that I popped up for giggles when I went looking for information on Soros.

Re what is moderate and what is far right conservatism, when were you installed as the overseer for that? Among other truly idiotic beliefs, Soros is a progressive through and through. Soros prefers the open society approach. From the Guardian:

Since 1987, Soros has published 14 books and a number of pieces in the New York Review of Books, New York Times and elsewhere. These texts make it clear that, like many on the centre-left who rose to prominence in the 1990s, Soros’s defining intellectual principle is his internationalism. For Soros, the goal of contemporary human existence is to establish a world defined not by sovereign states, but by a global community whose constituents understand that everyone shares an interest in freedom, equality and prosperity.

Soros is an Internationalist. He's a raging idealist, pathetically galloping after some form of global economic kumbaya. How do you pull that off in a world full of power hungry idiots that have established positions of power across the political spectrum? To tell you the truth, I wouldn't mind going down that road as a citizen of the leader of the free world if it weren't Mission Impossible. But it is Mission Impossible, and putting energy into forcing the United States to work against its own interests is not my cup of tea. I'm an American first, especially given global realities.

I believe i mentioned that Ford would end up with a book deal. Kinda meant it half-jokingly. Didn't say one word directly about who might fund it.

Re where all this stands with respect to their respective testimonies: I clearly stated that I believe he has come to look like the more credible of the two of them. I didn't say she lied about anything, per se. I didn't take the position that he is absolutely innocent. That's the problem with this monkey show - - someone decided to AT THIS TIME bring up accusations from events that occured over 3 decades ago at a time when the subjects were teenagers in high school. Sure, that's all going to end up on a productive track.

In hindsight, given what we know now, to the extent that Dr. Ford became adamant about the need to pursue these accusations, they absolutely should have been handled in a confidential manner and with a full and fair inquiry conducted. The Democrats absolutely and completely shit the bed on that part of this, but they had to do that in order to attempt to achieve their political agenda.

[xudash]

This is a very well-reasoned speech and decision. Hopefully there's no where to go but up from here.

I believe we all can agree on that. I certainly can't imagine what below where we stand now looks like, but it probably would include anarchy and burning stuff.

[Juice]

I believe we all can agree on that. I certainly can't imagine what below where we stand now looks like, but it probably would include anarchy and burning stuff.

I.e. Portland

[GoMuskies]

it probably would include anarchy and burning stuff.

Well, that's coming this weekend. 100%

[Juice]

Well, that's coming this weekend. 100%

Because those loons can't handle it. They doxx people on the internet, they confront and assault people in public, they send ricin to them in the mail, they shoot them on softball fields, and they've had some new pathetic protest every weekend since Trump has been elected. I laugh every time the Enquirer "reports" on some new protest/rally/lunatic gathering that either started or ended at Washington Park featuring PG Sittenfeld or Aftab.

[GenerationX]

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...609-story.html

George Soros is one evil SOB. His vision for the United States is dreadful.

“His New York-based Open Society Foundations now spends $940 million a year in 100 countries, promoting values such as free speech and free elections, according to the group. In the United States, the Open Society spends $150 million a year financing groups such as the American Civil Liberties Union and Planned Parenthood.”

Evil? I just don’t get the hate for Soros. He donates money to causes he believes in. He’s trying to make the world a better place. You may not agree with what he thinks is the correct way to achieve that goal, but at least he is participating as someone with the means to do so. The Mercers must be evil then as well, I suppose.

And by the way, Soros didn’t become evil until the 2000s. From the article you linked...

“In the United States, Soros was initially seen as an ally by Republicans who shared his opposition to communist dictators. He made modest donations to support the GOP in the 1980s and 1990s, according to campaign finance reports.

But he turned decisively against Republicans after President George W. Bush invaded Iraq in 2003 based on faulty intelligence about weapons of mass destruction.”

[UCGRAD4X]

Can't wait for the season to start.

How 'bout them Muskies!!!

[Juice]

People have lost their god damn minds

Peter Gammons
‏@pgammo
In the eighth inning of what may be a do or die game with the tension of a Game Seven, Nenderthal Fenway Park "fans" chanting "Yankees (---) are eerily like those who chant "lock her up" at a pol rally designed to demean female assault victims' trauma.

[GoMuskies]

Those Yankees suck chants are new. I can assure you that never happened in the mid-2000s when I used to frequent Fenway. And no one sold "Jeter tosses A-Rod's Salad" shirts, either. Nope. Didn't happen back then.