Politics Thread

[Boro Muskie]

Just a point of clarity on this. The detention and separating is only happening to people who cross the border illegally, or anywhere other than a port or point of entry.

[Masterofreality]

Remember how pissed MOR was when the Bill Clinton investigation dragged on so long and wandered so far afield from the initial mandate? Neither do I.

Weak sauce. A) Clinton was in office when his garbage happened. B) This, or any site like this was barely in existence, or not at all then.
Pray tell where there has been any connection with the Trump campaign an Russian interference after 14 months of investigation.
I’ll hang up and listen.

[paulxu]

Although at this time, many of the charges/guilty pleas are financial in nature, some relate to statements concerning Russian contacts.

https://www.vox.com/2018/5/23/173840...stigation-poll

If there is nothing to worry about, I wonder why Trump felt it necessary to write the statement for his son about the meeting with the Russians, and then lie (and have the White House lie) about him not writing it...until it turned out he did.

Perhaps we should give Mueller the same time (7 years) that the Whitewater investigation was open.

[Juice]

Weak sauce. A) Clinton was in office when his garbage happened. B) This, or any site like this was barely in existence, or not at all then.
Pray tell where there has been any connection with the Trump campaign an Russian interference after 14 months of investigation.
I’ll hang up and listen.

Here is an article from 2015...

Mexican kids held for months as punishment for border-crossing

Now, as a result of that decision, young Mexicans are being held for months without charge in shelters across the United States, sometimes without their parents’ knowledge. Since the program began in May, 536 juveniles have been held — 248 of whom have been deported to Mexico after an average stay of 75 days, according to Border Patrol statistics. Mexican authorities say some of these repeat border-crossers have spent as much as six months in U.S. custody while they await an appearance before an immigration judge.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.f418b3bbecb2

[paulxu]

That's an interesting article. Did you read it?
It's about teenagers used as guides to smuggle people across the border, who apparently go back and do it again if not caught.
Some of them get to go ice skating while in detention.

That seems (to me at least) a lot different than very young children who are with asylum seeking mothers, who are separated from their mothers.
But, that's just me.

[Caf]

Here is an article from 2015...





https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.f418b3bbecb2

Is your point that this is fine because Obama did it? Or are you just saying the outrage is hypocritical?

Neither point is really worth making in light of what is happening. I'm sure some will look to qualify or argue that Obama didn't do it, or didn't do it to the same degree, and junk like that. Ultimately though it was wrong then and it's wrong now. Nothing else needs to be said.

[Juice]

Is your point that this is fine because Obama did it? Or are you just saying the outrage is hypocritical?

Neither point is really worth making in light of what is happening. I'm sure some will look to qualify or argue that Obama didn't do it, or didn't do it to the same degree, and junk like that. Ultimately though it was wrong then and it's wrong now. Nothing else needs to be said.

My point is that the outrage is disingenuous/hypocritical because "you all" didn't give a shit when it occurred under Obama. Now that it's a story under Trump, he's the only one who has committed "human rights violations."

That being said, there aren't easy answers to this. Do you release the kids into the US without supervision, release back into Mexico (or where ever) without supervision, keep them detained for a longer period of time with their parents, or for a shorter period of time in the area for minors? Some answers are better than others but the logistics aren't easy. And I mean that it wasn't/isn't easy under Obama or Trump.

[X-man]

Is your point that this is fine because Obama did it? Or are you just saying the outrage is hypocritical?

Neither point is really worth making in light of what is happening. I'm sure some will look to qualify or argue that Obama didn't do it, or didn't do it to the same degree, and junk like that. Ultimately though it was wrong then and it's wrong now. Nothing else needs to be said.

Did you read the article? Apples and oranges.

[Lloyd Braun]

My point is that the outrage is disingenuous/hypocritical because "you all" didn't give a shit when it occurred under Obama. Now that it's a story under Trump, he's the only one who has committed "human rights violations."

That being said, there aren't easy answers to this. Do you release the kids into the US without supervision, release back into Mexico (or where ever) without supervision, keep them detained for a longer period of time with their parents, or for a shorter period of time in the area for minors? Some answers are better than others but the logistics aren't easy. And I mean that it wasn't/isn't easy under Obama or Trump.

Are you suggesting that the zero tolerance policy is not new? That there has not been any change in criminal charges since Trump has been in office declaring this zero tolerance party?

[Caf]

Did you read the article? Apples and oranges.

If you're getting into whether child-parent separation was worse under Trump than Obama then you're already missing the point. This isn't a policy that needs to end because it's worse than when it happened under the Obama administration. It's a policy that needs to end because it's messed up.