Politics Thread

[ChicagoX]

Great!. Getting raped, battered or abused is now a pre-existing condition.
'Pubs going to WH to celebrate?

In its current form, this bill has no chance to pass the Senate. Once it's scored by the CBO, then it will look even worse than it does now.

If this is such a good bill, then why did Republicans in Congress choose to exempt themselves from it?

[bjf123]

If this is such a good bill, then why did Republicans in Congress choose to exempt themselves from it?

Kind of like how the Democrats didn't put Congress into Obamacare?


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[bobbiemcgee]

Trump said he would not cut Medicare or Medicaid and keep pre-existing. 880 billion cut will go to the rich. What a frickin' Liar we have as President.

[Caf]

Just curious, is any Moderate/Republican mad enough about this not to vote Republican in 2018? A few people I know say this will make them un-register from the GOP because of the change to preexisting conditions, but am unsure how common of a feeling that is.

[boozehound]

Just curious, is any Moderate/Republican mad enough about this not to vote Republican in 2018? A few people I know say this will make them un-register from the GOP because of the change to preexisting conditions, but am unsure how common of a feeling that is.

I probably qualify as a Moderate. I'm also probably a demographic that 'should' be Republican. I am a 34-year old white male with 3 children and a wife that doesn't work, and an income that puts in the top 5% of US households. I live in Ohio.

I have voted Republican probably about 60% of the time, and when I do it is generally based on fiscal policy. I lean toward free-market economic policy and believe that deficit reduction is a critically important issue for the long term health of the USA.

I reject virtually all of the 'social' beliefs that some along with the Republican ideology. I support gay marriage. I support the separation of Church and State. I'm not a climate-change skeptic. I'm not anti-intellectual. I don't personally believe in abortion, but I am pro-choice. While I believe that those are able and willing to pay for it should be able to receive better healthcare, I support a tiered single-payer system that provides good quality healthcare for all Americans.

Here is what it comes down to for me: The current cast of 'Republicans' doesn't seem to care about fiscal responsibility, and if we are going to spend craploads of money I would rather spend it providing people with things like healthcare and investing in next-generation industries than further increasing our lopsided Military spending and subsidizing dying industries like coal. The Republican party started losing me in earnest when they started going to war against things like science and free trade. I also found the glee with which they celebrated their straw man bill to repeal the ACA revolting - it's one thing to oppose a piece of legislation, but it's another thing entirely to celebrate a bill that, if passed, would almost certainly result in millions losing health insurance.

I will not be voting Republican in the mid term elections, and I damn sure won't be voting Republican in the next Presidential election.

[Juice]

Great!. Getting raped, battered or abused is now a pre-existing condition.
'Pubs going to WH to celebrate?

Lie

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.1027c81e9054

[Caf]

I probably qualify as a Moderate. I'm also probably a demographic that 'should' be Republican. I am a 34-year old white male with 3 children and a wife that doesn't work, and an income that puts in the top 5% of US households. I live in Ohio.

I have voted Republican probably about 60% of the time, and when I do it is generally based on fiscal policy. I lean toward free-market economic policy and believe that deficit reduction is a critically important issue for the long term health of the USA.

I reject virtually all of the 'social' beliefs that some along with the Republican ideology. I support gay marriage. I support the separation of Church and State. I'm not a climate-change skeptic. I'm not anti-intellectual. I don't personally believe in abortion, but I am pro-choice. While I believe that those are able and willing to pay for it should be able to receive better healthcare, I support a tiered single-payer system that provides good quality healthcare for all Americans.

Here is what it comes down to for me: The current cast of 'Republicans' doesn't seem to care about fiscal responsibility, and if we are going to spend craploads of money I would rather spend it providing people with things like healthcare and investing in next-generation industries than further increasing our lopsided Military spending and subsidizing dying industries like coal. The Republican party started losing me in earnest when they started going to war against things like science and free trade. I also found the glee with which they celebrated their straw man bill to repeal the ACA revolting - it's one thing to oppose a piece of legislation, but it's another thing entirely to celebrate a bill that, if passed, would almost certainly result in millions losing health insurance.

I will not be voting Republican in the mid term elections, and I damn sure won't be voting Republican in the next Presidential election.

I agree with everything you said.

As the dust settles, I think it's starting to look like a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't with the AHCA. The GOP has made the repeal of Obamacare so imperative. The congressman could vote against it and piss off the base and The President, or vote for it and piss off everybody else. I'm sure there are a great deal of people who are pumped about this, but it can't be good for elections. I just don't see people getting excited about the bill, it will be a lot harder to rally around the solution to insurance than it was to rally around repealing Obamacare.

It's still very close, but the majority of Americans now believe the government has a responsibility to ensure healthcare. Ensuring healthcare is absolutely contradictory to conservatism. I don't think they should touch it with a 10 foot pole, as it will always bother a great deal of Americans no matter what they do. It's an effect similar to Democrats and tax reform, it just isn't a politically advantageous pursuit.

[X-man]

I agree with everything you said.

As the dust settles, I think it's starting to look like a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't with the AHCA. The GOP has made the repeal of Obamacare so imperative. The congressman could vote against it and piss off the base and The President, or vote for it and piss off everybody else. I'm sure there are a great deal of people who are pumped about this, but it can't be good for elections. I just don't see people getting excited about the bill, it will be a lot harder to rally around the solution to insurance than it was to rally around repealing Obamacare.

It's still very close, but the majority of Americans now believe the government has a responsibility to ensure healthcare. Ensuring healthcare is absolutely contradictory to conservatism. I don't think they should touch it with a 10 foot pole, as it will always bother a great deal of Americans no matter what they do. It's an effect similar to Democrats and tax reform, it just isn't a politically advantageous pursuit.

Perhaps the most pathetic and dishonest characterization of Trumpcare is the claim that it guarantees everyone access to health insurance. The guarantee of access is no different than claiming everyone has access to a Maserati, or a home in the Hamptons, or an Old Masters painting. The "guarantee" exists only in the sense that no one is prohibited from buying any of these things....so long as they can afford to do so. The difference, of course, is that unlike these other things, health insurance is a necessity to getting access to healthcare which is something everyone but the far right believes is a right for all regardless of income. For Republicans and trump to claim that Trumpcare preserves such access is a bald-face lie, and every voter who believes that healthcare access is a right (like food, housing, and education) should turn out the Republican bastards who voted for this charade.

[XU 87]

who believes that healthcare access is a right (like food, housing, and education) should turn out the Republican bastards who voted for this charade.

If those things are "rights", would it be ok someone broke into your house, ate your food, and slept in your bed, for an indefinite amount of time? If housing is a "right", should we prohibit landlords from evicting tenants who don't pay? Should everyone come to XU for free, since education is a "right"?

[Juice]

Perhaps the most pathetic and dishonest characterization of Trumpcare is the claim that it guarantees everyone access to health insurance. The guarantee of access is no different than claiming everyone has access to a Maserati, or a home in the Hamptons, or an Old Masters painting. The "guarantee" exists only in the sense that no one is prohibited from buying any of these things....so long as they can afford to do so. The difference, of course, is that unlike these other things, health insurance is a necessity to getting access to healthcare which is something everyone but the far right believes is a right for all regardless of income. For Republicans and trump to claim that Trumpcare preserves such access is a bald-face lie, and every voter who believes that healthcare access is a right (like food, housing, and education) should turn out the Republican bastards who voted for this charade.

None of things you are talking about are rights. It's not far right people or Republicans who think that. People who can read the Constitution and its Amendments know they aren't rights.

Would it be nice if everyone had these things? Sure but you don't have a right to these things.