We All Love Ed.....but

ammtd34 · 02-08-2017, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Drew

I love it when people cherry pick stats to make their argument instead of owning it. So lets make it clear. You don't think JP is prone to mistakes?

The statement was "the fact remains..." I was refuting the "fact." If you would like to support the fact, feel free.

Caf · 02-08-2017, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by XUFan09

So O'Mara wasn't a reliable backup, yet Farr and Reynolds both averaged fewer minutes per game than any recent starting big? When those previous bigs include Matt Stainbrook and Kenny Frease? In addition, Reynolds wasn't consistently in foul trouble, and that doesn't even address Farr, who had a much lower foul rate. Farr would have easily played more minutes per game if there was actually an issue of depth and not a choice of play style. Also, Mack would be recruiting more bigs if he was really interested in two-big lineups all the time. Jones was a redshirt candidate if Ekiyor came and K. Jones is a project with grades issues.

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No, O'Mara was not a reliable backup, especially defensively. Your the stats guy, show me one indicator that suggests O'Mara is a serviceable defender. I haven't seen any. Farr and Reynolds effectively backed each other up IMO.

I agree that part of the reason they played alone was because we didn't need them too. However, we've seen times where it was a good option, and because of foul trouble it wasn't usually possible. Reynolds averaged 6.7 fouls per 40 minutes and Farr averaged 4.7. Reynolds literally wouldn't make it through a game if we needed.

Also, Mack desperately wants more bigs. He offered 5 Cs and 6 PFs last year.

**AviatorX** · 02-08-2017, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Caf

No, O'Mara was not a reliable backup, especially defensively. Your the stats guy, show me one indicator that suggests O'Mara is a serviceable defender. I haven't seen any. Farr and Reynolds effectively backed each other up IMO.

I agree that part of the reason they played alone was because we didn't need them too. However, we've seen times where it was a good option, and because of foul trouble it wasn't usually possible. Reynolds averaged 6.7 fouls per 40 minutes and Farr averaged 4.7. Reynolds literally wouldn't make it through a game if we needed.

Also, Mack desperately wants more bigs. He offered 5 Cs and 6 PFs last year.

Not really sure this is true. Seems pretty clear to me who Mack is trying to model the roster after, and they aren't known for playing multiple bigs. Unless you can get elite bigs (and Xavier can't absent some connection to a specific recruit), going small and spacing the court is the way to go, Mack knows that.

xufan2434 · 02-08-2017, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Caf

No, O'Mara was not a reliable backup, especially defensively. Your the stats guy, show me one indicator that suggests O'Mara is a serviceable defender. I haven't seen any. Farr and Reynolds effectively backed each other up IMO.

I agree that part of the reason they played alone was because we didn't need them too. However, we've seen times where it was a good option, and because of foul trouble it wasn't usually possible. Reynolds averaged 6.7 fouls per 40 minutes and Farr averaged 4.7. Reynolds literally wouldn't make it through a game if we needed.

Also, Mack desperately wants more bigs. He offered 5 Cs and 6 PFs last year.

He offers that many thinking he's going to get 1 or 2 of them. That's really not that many in terms of how many offers schools make now. And even after they offer all those, they really focus on a couple of them. I wouldn't call that being desperate, I think it's more that good quality bigs are harder to come by these days so they give out more offers to better their chance of getting some. Also, I think them offering 11 big men from one class gives no indication that they want to go with 2 bigs in the lineup.

Caf · 02-08-2017, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by xufan2434

He offers that many thinking he's going to get 1 or 2 of them. That's really not that many in terms of how many offers schools make now. And even after they offer all those, they really focus on a couple of them. I wouldn't call that being desperate, I think it's more that good quality bigs are harder to come by these days so they give out more offers to better their chance of getting some. Also, I think them offering 11 big men from one class gives no indication that they want to go with 2 bigs in the lineup.

Originally Posted by AviatorX

Not really sure this is true. Seems pretty clear to me who Mack is trying to model the roster after, and they aren't known for playing multiple bigs. Unless you can get elite bigs (and Xavier can't absent some connection to a specific recruit), going small and spacing the court is the way to go, Mack knows that.

Fair enough re: recruiting. I disagree that if you can't get elite bigs you should go small. If anything, I'd say the opposite would be true. Honestly though, without a solid front court, you're going to be in a tough sport irregardless.

**AviatorX** · 02-08-2017, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Caf

Fair enough re: recruiting. I disagree that if you can't get elite bigs you should go small. If anything, I'd say the opposite would be true. Honestly though, without a solid front court, you're going to be in a tough sport irregardless.

I'm curious why you disagree. The way I see it, if you can get a glass-cleaning big guy that can make dunks and putbacks (hopefully Tyrique is the answer here), and surround him with really talented guards and wings, that's the way to go short of having Bam Adebayo or Gonzaga's big Polish guy.

Caf · 02-08-2017, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by AviatorX

I'm curious why you disagree. The way I see it, if you can get a glass-cleaning big guy that can make dunks and putbacks (hopefully Tyrique is the answer here), and surround him with really talented guards and wings, that's the way to go short of having Bam Adebayo or Gonzaga's big Polish guy.

For a few reasons. Mainly because I think you're liable* to get punished in the interior. Even tonight, I think DePaul isn't having trouble scoring once they get in the paint. On the offensive end, if you don't have a respected inside presence, teams can push out on your guards and force tough shots. As a team that likes to shoot from 3, I think that's especially important.

My main point is that this year none of our bigs can really protect the paint. I don't know if 2 of them would be able to hold it down either, but there's definitely a chance.